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The 262's "swept wing" was simply a solution to Messerschmitt's CoM problem because of the heavier Jumo004, it was originally designed to have the BMW003
They tried that and it was a dismal failure...they were so heavy with thier extra guns, turrets and ammo, the regular bombers left them in the dust after dropping thier bombs.well maybe i would take some of the older b17s and 24s and convert them into gunships. add a few more crew members and a lot more guns and use them to lead the bomber boxes. when the 262s make their head on run they would be greeted by a lot more lead. in order to be able to keep pace with the main group they would carry no bombs.
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So is your comment...superfluous
That's a great illustration of the 262's wing transition (and the P.3304 series)!Huh? I posted the picture because I thought it might be of interest to those who haven't seen it before - do you think it isn't? (Not everything is posted to prove a point!)
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A page scanned from Me 262 Vol One by J.Richard Smith and Eddie J. Creek showing the evolution of the 262's wing and engine arrangement.
The P.1065 at bottom left was proposed with engines mounted midway in the wing, like the Meteor and also with the engine pods above the wing, either mounted directly on top of the wing or on pylons. Images of wind tunnel models in these configurations in the book. There was also a P 1065 with Bf 109 wings outboard of the nacelles. Messerschmitt also investigated a sharply swept wing on a wind tunnel model.
Good one, well found. From what I understand the sweep was developed because the engines were heavier than projected (that axial flow thing again) and they swept the wing back to maintain the CoG.
It was insufficient to have any significant effect on mach limits (which were ok'ish but not tremendously good).
No information is really ever wasted ( except being told how many beers you can't remember drinking), but I distinctly remember reading an article still being formulated. In the "Watsons Whizzers" section of the "Stormbirds" website, there was a fellow putting together information regarding the swept wing design of the 262. He was of the opinion that the generally accepted reason for having swept wings is not entirely factual. I'm only repeating what I have traditionally read, but the story goes that the Messerschmitt engineers used moderate sweep on the wings for reasons of balance, not aerodynamic advantage . With jet engines in their infancy, it would be simpler to balance the aircraft longtitudinally for larger/smaller/heavier/lighter powerplants by using swept wings and underslung nacelles. They "unknowingly" improved performance as a benefit of this fore sight. The researcher on "Stormbirds" believed that they were aware of swept wing advantage, but this "fact" is usually overlooked. Dr lippisch who was involved in other aircraft designs using swept wings, as well as previous research by other German scientists some years earlier, were pioneering in this field, so it would appear naive to think that the design team behind the 262 were not aware of the potential. Of course I don't have the Aerodynamicist masters degree, but it appears logical that the Messerschmitt team did have some knowledge. Swept wing technology seemed to really go ahead in the early 1940's, but this was a couple of years AFTER the Me 262 was on the drawing board. It obviously would have been an interesting chat over a bottle of schnapps......so, for the un-educated and misinformed (that would be me), was the 262 wing a benefit, or a piece of bling. Did it make a difference, and if so, by how much compared to its main rivals the p-80 and the Meteor????. Bearing i mind the normal or combat speed of the type, its weapons fits, targetting (los) and other flight characteristics. Did the design have aerodynamic elements to counter the bad effects of swept wing configuration, such as the Ta 183 and MiG-15 had?
Who's game to have a go....