FLYBOYJ
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How far is that wreck from the one you discovered? Did you notice a debris field around your wreck?
Identifying new WW2 wreck off Pt Loma, San Diego
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It is far enough way to not be related. I would guess 3-5 nautical miles.
There really isn't a debris field. We believe that tail section might be nearby but we haven't dove it yet.
Here is a picture of the nose of the "other" TBM:
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Here is a picture from the dive today after I scrubbed the front of the prop with a brush.
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FLYBOYJ
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Still hard to say but my guess there's no spinner on there. How often do you dive there?
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Here are four more pictures of the wheel area. Note that the lens I use tends to add some curvature to the photos so straight lines are a little bowed (it isn't a fisheye but it also isn't rectilinear.
I'm working on a photogrammetry model and will try to upload that later.
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I'm working on a photogrammetry model and will try to upload that later.
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I'm wondering if it came off or rotted off or ??? It is just so hard to tell with wrecks in salt water that have been there for 80-ish years.
We did a second dive on it yesterday. We don't currently have a date to do another. Is there a specific area of the plane you want to see? I've got about 400-500 photos from the two dives.
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FLYBOYJ
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Hi Brett -
Agree, hard to tell what's going on and I'm sure the salt water rotted much of this. How much of the fuselage is in tact? Do you have a shot showing the entire wing?
Joe
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- #28
Yes and no.
The visibility has been literally 5-10 feet so getting a shot of the whole wing is impossible. It is also really dark due to all the particulate matter in the water blocking the sun and down at 150 feet. However, I have been working on building a photogrammetry model. I can't get everything to align in a single model, but I do have two models which show the starboard side and port side. I've pasted screenshots of the models below.
Important to note: The control surfaces from the wings are gone so they look less "wide" than they normally would. You can see on the starboard side wing that it extends back a little bit close to the fuselage. Also note the interesting "square hole" on the starboard side close to the fuselage. Maybe this is another clue?
The first screenshot shows the port wing on the left with all the pink strawberry anemones and the second screenshot shows the starboard wing on the right and you can see the 50 cal gun and some of the engine in front.
I'm working on building a better model but I won't be able to spend more time on it until Sunday.
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FLYBOYJ
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OK - very cool! Now some thing that hit me as soon as I saw the lower photo -
This looks like the outline of the wing -
Here's a cut-away -
Any chance of a second or third gun within the wings?
This looks like the outline of the wing -
Here's a cut-away -
Any chance of a second or third gun within the wings?
FLYBOYJ
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This portion has my attention as well...
FLYBOYJ
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OK - another possible aircraft - T-28 !
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The only disconnect I see is the engine - the T-28 had a singe row radial. Are we sure this wreck's engine is a twin-row radial?
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The only disconnect I see is the engine - the T-28 had a singe row radial. Are we sure this wreck's engine is a twin-row radial?
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I don't think so but I also wouldn't rule it out completely. I've reviewed a number of the pictures and I don't see any indication of it. What airplane are you thinking?
What direction does the landing gear / wheel fold in that picture?
Also, I'm pretty sure what the wreck airplane is, it is more than a single seater.
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- #35
100% sure. See photo below.
I think another really key clue is that there are two oil coolers.
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FLYBOYJ
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Well the wing looked like one from a P-51 but the radial engine rules that out
The wing also looks like one from a T-28 trojan. The later versions had a 3 bladed prop.
The curve ball is the .50 cal in the wing - the only US aircraft I can find configured like this is a TBF Avenger
The twin row engine would fit the Avenger description
What's your thoughts?
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Here is a link to viewing the "interim" 3D photogrammetry model:
sketchfab.com
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Unknown Airplane - Pt Loma - 3D model by Brett Eldridge (@beldridg)
Unknown Airplane - Pt Loma - 3D model by Brett Eldridge (@beldridg)
sketchfab.com
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SaparotRob
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Way cool!Here is a link to viewing the "interim" 3D photogrammetry model:
Unknown Airplane - Pt Loma - 3D model by Brett Eldridge (@beldridg)
Unknown Airplane - Pt Loma - 3D model by Brett Eldridge (@beldridg)
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FLYBOYJ
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The Engine Mount in the 3D - looks like TBF/ TBM!
FLYBOYJ
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oil coolers!
