I take it the undercarriage are supposed to be wheels and not the mock up of some paddle inspired means of water propulsion...
Mark, you beat me to it!
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I take it the undercarriage are supposed to be wheels and not the mock up of some paddle inspired means of water propulsion...
Mark, you beat me to it!
Thumpalumpacus
Major
stug3
Staff Sergeant
I think they put it there to show perspective.
Shortround6
Major General
Cub flies at full throttle at a few hundred feet.
The Mars flies just a little lower and using flaps creeps up on the Cub, positions the wing underneath, and climbs slightly catching the Cubs wheels in the chocks and killing a bit of speed at the same time.
Simple.........................................................................
Somebody want to expand that to a fiction short story?
The Mars flies just a little lower and using flaps creeps up on the Cub, positions the wing underneath, and climbs slightly catching the Cubs wheels in the chocks and killing a bit of speed at the same time.
Simple.........................................................................
Somebody want to expand that to a fiction short story?
SaparotRob
Unter Gemeine Geschwader Murmeltier XIII
The Cub flies into the wind. It then gently floats down onto the anchored Mars's wing.
Thumpalumpacus
Major
In seriousness, I had assumed the Piper was on approach behind the 'boat and just happened to photobomb the shot. But it's really, really hard for me to pass up a silly joke.
Shortround6
Major General
If you blow it up you can see a tie down strap from each forward wing strut.
But that may just be to keep a wind gust from toppling the Cub off the wing and onto the ground.
Explain that to insurance company
But that may just be to keep a wind gust from toppling the Cub off the wing and onto the ground.
Explain that to insurance company
Thumpalumpacus
Major
If you blow it up you can see a tie down strap from each forward wing strut.
But that may just be to keep a wind gust from toppling the Cub off the wing and onto the ground.
Explain that to insurance company
You're dead-right, and chocks of a sort too.
Like everything in aviation, very carefully, of course...
Good shots!
stug3
Staff Sergeant
Kawanishi H6K, cruiser Kuma, 1941 postcard
Kawanishi H6K and H8K
Kawanishi H8K, Makin Island 1943
Kawanishi H6K and H8K
Kawanishi H8K, Makin Island 1943
stug3
Staff Sergeant
I think both the H6K and H8K are beautiful ac.
Escuadrilla Azul
Tech Sergeant
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- Feb 27, 2020
Unfortunately, a botijo in action once more fighting a fire.
This time in Tenerife. Refilling the tanks from the port of my home town, Santa Cruz de Tenerife.
Taken from the tower control of the port. Notice the fast ferry just docking to the right.
This time in Tenerife. Refilling the tanks from the port of my home town, Santa Cruz de Tenerife.
Taken from the tower control of the port. Notice the fast ferry just docking to the right.
MiTasol
1st Lieutenant
That is intelligent fire fighting which is why a European consortium has just bought 22 of the new version that carries 6.5 tonnes instead of 6 from most of the earlier aircraft
In Aus the NSW government has bought a 737 fire bomber which can typically drop eight 15 tonne loads (120t) in one day.
Last I heard the record for a single Canadair and 2 crews alternating in sorties was 207 drops delivering 1200 tonnes on one day (Italy July 8th, 2018).
Larger jet aircraft are required to fly at a higher altitude while dropping retardant. Dropping at high altitudes will not attack the fire directly as the water disperses before it reaches the fire. Because its turbo-prop engines that provide instant trust the Canadair can safely attack the fire at a lower altitude and lower speed with higher precision. It's drop pattern and the much higher water density when it hits the ground is such that it can lower the level of energy far faster so that ground crew can safely finish the work.
Although it only carries 6 tonnes per drop delivering 6 tonnes every few seconds or minutes using a fleet of Canadairs like many of the European countries aim to is way more effective than delivering 15 tonnes once every couple of hours like the 737 does. There is some good youtube video of a fleet of Canadairs operating in Croatia - one every 20 seconds so delivering more tonnage per minute than the 737 can typically deliver in two hours and the same daily 120 tonnes in under 7 minutes.
Aus authorities like to say that the Canadair cannot find water in Aus but a 1980s or 90s review of a deadly NSW Blue Mountains fire found multiple water sources within 15 minutes of the fire including the ocean where it is capable of refilling in rough waters with waves up to two metres. That particular fire started in inaccessible country and burned for two days before it reached towns and destroyed them in minutes. The Canadair can deliver to inaccessible country.
In Aus the NSW government has bought a 737 fire bomber which can typically drop eight 15 tonne loads (120t) in one day.
Last I heard the record for a single Canadair and 2 crews alternating in sorties was 207 drops delivering 1200 tonnes on one day (Italy July 8th, 2018).
Larger jet aircraft are required to fly at a higher altitude while dropping retardant. Dropping at high altitudes will not attack the fire directly as the water disperses before it reaches the fire. Because its turbo-prop engines that provide instant trust the Canadair can safely attack the fire at a lower altitude and lower speed with higher precision. It's drop pattern and the much higher water density when it hits the ground is such that it can lower the level of energy far faster so that ground crew can safely finish the work.
Although it only carries 6 tonnes per drop delivering 6 tonnes every few seconds or minutes using a fleet of Canadairs like many of the European countries aim to is way more effective than delivering 15 tonnes once every couple of hours like the 737 does. There is some good youtube video of a fleet of Canadairs operating in Croatia - one every 20 seconds so delivering more tonnage per minute than the 737 can typically deliver in two hours and the same daily 120 tonnes in under 7 minutes.
Aus authorities like to say that the Canadair cannot find water in Aus but a 1980s or 90s review of a deadly NSW Blue Mountains fire found multiple water sources within 15 minutes of the fire including the ocean where it is capable of refilling in rough waters with waves up to two metres. That particular fire started in inaccessible country and burned for two days before it reached towns and destroyed them in minutes. The Canadair can deliver to inaccessible country.
N4521U
Colonel
But then it is the Australian Gov't who cares little for Oz, and more for themselves!
Just sayin.
Just sayin.
GrauGeist
Generalfeldmarschall zur Luftschiff Abteilung
The Global 747 fire tanker (944), which has been retired, saved the nearby town of Lewiston back in 2018, stopping the Carr Fire in it's tracks with a single tree-top pass.
The retardant it and others (737, MD-11, BAe 146, etc.) drop, is a mixture of water and "phoscheck", which creates a slurry that won't dissipate into aerosols due to speed/height or vaporize in the fire's heat.
The retardant it and others (737, MD-11, BAe 146, etc.) drop, is a mixture of water and "phoscheck", which creates a slurry that won't dissipate into aerosols due to speed/height or vaporize in the fire's heat.
Thumpalumpacus
Major
Aesthetics can't be argued but the fact is that both the H6K and the H8K were very capable in comparison to peer aircraft.
stug3
Staff Sergeant
Dornier Do 24
Beautiful plane.
