If you had an airforce...

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  1. Catch22

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    If you had your own airforce, what PROPELLER DRIVEN (because obviously we'd all use 262's) aircraft from WWII would you use in it for the different roles and why?

    Fighter: Fw 190
    Light/Attack Bomber: Fw 190
    Medium Bomber: B-25 Mitchell
    Heavy Bomber: B-29
    Transport: C-47

    Fighter/Light/Attack Bomber: It was a tough choice between the Würger and the Corsair, but I ended up going with the 190 because you could get so much out of one airframe: high altitude fighter, low to medium altitude fighter and ground attack frame, and from a production standpoint because of the many shared components the aircraft would be easy to produce.

    Medium Bomber: Once again, the Mitchell is another good multi-role aircraft. Not a really vunerable machine that can deal out a fair amount of damage. Just a good all around plane.

    Heavy Bomber: The B-29 could fly higher than anything else at the time as well as carry an enormous bombload. Just another must have.

    Transport: C-47. Need I say anything else?
     
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    Fighter :p-51D
    Attack/Light Bomber: Mosquito
    Medium Bomber: B-25 Mitchell
    Heavy: B-29
    Cargo: C-47

    I think the Mosquito is a great choice for attack because it is extremely versatile and is lightning quick. The Mosquito could double for any other role. Other than that i pretty much agree on everything else.
     
  3. Kruska

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    Well, let’s forward the “perfect-dream” Luftwaffe 1944/45

    Trainer: Ar396/Buecker181
    Liaison: Fi156
    Fighter: Ta152/Do335
    Attack/Light Bomber: Ar240
    Night Fighter: He219/Ta154
    Ground Attack: Hs129/Ar240
    Medium Bomber: Ju 288
    Heavy Bomber: He 274 and shamelessly copy a B-29:)
    Seaplane ASW: Bv222/Do24/Ar196
    Cargo light: Ar232/Go244B
    Cargo heavy: Ar232B/Ju290
    Cargo Super heavy: Me323C/Bv238
    Observation Helicopter Flettner Fi282
    Transport Helicopter Fa223 Drache (Pave Low III):shock:

    Regards
    Kruska
     
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    I probably would have picked a B-26 Marauder or Mosquito or even Ju 88 over the B-25 but all great aircaft.

    The ultimate reason for picking the B-26 and F4U would be for many common parts consideration for the R-2800 engine.

    I would also pick the C-46 for same reason - R-2800 engines, plus it was so much more capable, despite being a fire hazard occasionally, than the C-47
     
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    And I don't see anything wrong with the F4U compared to the 190, versitility was equal if not better, and altitude performance was a bit better on the F4U-1 on all production 190's up through the D-9 and A-9 with a critical altitude ~3,000 ft higher. (the F4U-4 being significantly better in this department as well)
     
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    Airsuperiority Fighter: Ta-152H
    Fighter-bomber: F4U-4
    Night fighter: Do-335A-1 (Do-435)
    Ground attack: Hs-129
    Reconnaissance: Ju-388L
    Medium bomber: Ju-388K
    Heavy bomber: He-277
    Transport light: C-47
    Transport medium: Ar-232B
    Transport heavy: Ju-290
    Transport super heavy: Me-323
    Seaplane: BV-238
     
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    Didn't we already have a "best of type" thread? :confused:

    Anyways I would take the Typhoon over the 190, for its low-level performance and better payload. {depends what year and what version of the 190?}

    You should also have a category for Dive bomber, TB and night fighter.
     
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    For a disussion like this man hours and materials consumed would be very helpful... something tells me the F4U was a rather expensive beast.

    But anyways:

    Multirole fighter: Fw-190 A
    Ground support: Fw-190 F
    High altitude fighter: Fw-190 D / Ta-152

    Medium bomber: B-25
    Heavy Bomber: B-24
    Naval Patrol: PB4Y Privateer

    Medium transport: C-47
    Heavy Transport: B-24

    Recon: Fw-189

    That's 5 planes for a pretty broad spectrum.:D
     
  10. Kruska

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    Hello Soren,

    sounds good as well - we are actually very close, but why would you place a C-47 instead of the Ar232/Go244B? (Rear Cargo Ramp).

    Regards
    Kruska
     
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    Lets see:

    Fighter - Focke Wulf Ta-152H
    Interceptor - Focke Fulf Fw 190A-8
    Heavy Bomber - Boeing B-29
    Medium Bomber - Junkers Ju 88
    Light Bomber - Heinkel He 215
    Night Fighter - de Havilland Mosquito NF.30
    Ground Attack - Henschel Hs-129
    Dive Bomber - SBD Dauntless
    Trainer - T-6 Texan
    Transport - C-47 Skytrain
    Carrier Fighter - F4U Corsair
    Carrier Dive Bomber - SBD Dauntless
    Carrier Torpedo Bomber - TBF Avenger
    Recon - de Havilland Mosquito PR.XVI
    Seaplane - Dornier Do-24
     
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    Fighter: Fw 190
    Light/Attack Bomber: Mosquito
    Medium Bomber: B25/JU88
    Heavy Bomber: B-29
    Transport: C-47
    Night Fighter: Mosquito
     
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    How about this for a question?

    If you had to base your airforce around one plane, what would it be?

    When considering which planes I picked for which roles I thought of a few roles which the Mossie could of been considered for. Its versatility is amazing.
     
  14. Catch22

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    I didn't even think of the navy for some reason...

    I'd pick the Corsair for my fighter and Avenger for torpedo bomber.
     
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    Lets try

    Fighter - Focke Wulf Ta-152H
    Interceptor - Spitfire
    Heavy Bomber - Boeing B-29
    Medium Bomber - Do 217
    Light Bomber - Mossie
    Night Fighter - de Havilland Mosquito NF.30
    Ground Attack - Fw 190 F
    Dive Bomber - Yokosuka D4Y4
    Trainer - T-6 Texan
    Transport - C-47 Skytrain
    Carrier Fighter - F4U Corsair
    Carrier Dive Bomber - Yokosuka D4Y4
    Carrier Torpedo Bomber - Aichi B7A
    Recon - de Havilland Mosquito PR.XVI
     
  16. buzzard

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    Fighter : P-51D (Cheap, capable, RANGE!!)
    Nightfighter: Mosquito NF.30
    Ground Attack: P-61
    Dive Bomber: Yokasuka D4Y4 'Judy'
    Medium Bomber: A-26
    Heavy Bomber: B-29
    Recon: Lockheed F-5 (Gotta have a Lightning!)
    Liason: Fi156 Storch
    Transport: C-54

    Navy

    Fighter: F4U-4
    Torpedo Bomber/ASW: TBF
    Dive-Bomber: Judy again
    Long Range Patrol/ASW : PB4Y

    If I was going to build my airforce around one plane, I'd go for the P-38 or the Do335. As for a one type Navy: F4U-4

    JL
     
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    let's avoid mixing apples oranges, so I'd divide the dream airforce in 2: those that are available in 1940, and ones from 1st jan. 1943.
    So, the earlies:

    -fighter: Spitfire
    -ground attack: A-20
    -medium bomber: Ju-88
    -heavy bomber: ??
    -transport: C-47
    -night fighter: Bristol Blenheim

    and the 'late' ones:
    -fighter: F-4U
    -ground attack: A-20G
    -medium bomber: Mosquito (also the NF)
    -heavy bomber: Avro Lancaster
    -transport: Curtiss Commando
     
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    The Ar-232B is a medium transport a/c, that's why.

    Now if I had to choose between the two I'd always choose the Ar-232B ofcourse, as it was revolutionary for its time.

    As for why I didn't choose the Go244, well it was far too slow for its role and it couldn't handle near as large a load as the Ar-232B.

    Anyway let me reason all my choices:

    Airsuperiority fighter: Focke Wulf Ta-152H (Reason: The best piston engined fighter of WW2, easily outperforms any Allied fighter)
    Fighter bomber: Vought F4U-4 Corsair (Reason: Is similar to the Fw190 in capability but has the added benefit of being carrier capable)
    Night fighter: Do-335A-1 (Do-435) (Reason: Fastest flying best armed nightfighter)
    Recon: Junkers Ju-388L (Reason: Highest flying reconnaissance prop job of WW2)
    Ground attack: Henschel Hs-129 (Reason: Most stable, best armoured armed ground attack a/c of the war)
    Medium bomber: Junkers Ju-388K (Reason: Highest fastest flying medium bomber of WW2 with a bomb load of 3,000 kg)
    Heavy bomber: Heinkel He-277 (Reason: Highest flying heavy bomber of WW2)
    Light transport: Curtiss C-47 (Reason: One of the most dependable light transport a/c of the war and faster than the Ju-52)
    Medium transport: Arado Ar-232B (Reason: Most advanced, most capable and best transport a/c of WW2)
    Heavy transport: Junkers Ju-290 390 (Reason: One of the largest load carrying capabilities of any transport a/c of WW2, high speed, loading ramp.)
    Super heavy transport: Messerschmitt Me-323 (Reason: Absolute highest load carrying capability of any a/c of WW2)
     
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    buzzard,

    The B-17 would fit for the "earlies" maiden flight of the prototype in mid 1935. The pre-production a/c (YB-17's) were delivered in 1938, and the turbocharged B-17A in Jan 1939. And the first operational production a/c, B-17B, began deliveries in mid '39.

    Early production:

    And that time period concept is a point I've been meaning to make on this subject.
    It's not really fair to pick a/c for the entire war that weren't, or couldnt have been, there until near the end, which is also why progressively developing a/c that remain competitive are particularly attractive, moreso with versitility. (Spitfire, 109, and particularly 190)

    And you could get by with a "what if" as long as the a/c prototype flew early enough to be available in time if more pressure/priorety/attention had been given, F4U for example. It could have been in service before the US entered the war, particularly if adapted as a land based version.
     
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    KK89,

    Geeez...waddaya pickin' on me for? It's cuz I'm Canadian, isn't it? I did throw in the P-61 as my ground attack choice just to stir things up, but otherwise I was only doin' what everyone else was doing. How come I gotta be the one stuck with the old stuff?:cry:

    Just kiddin', Kool Kitty...I'm happy to play by yer rules, but I gotta think about it a bit first.

    JL
     
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