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Jets used diesel fuel, which the Germans had in abundance, not avgas that normal flight training used.
That's a bad old myth, Me 262 introduction was limited by availability of reliable engines. Fuselage hardpoints and release mechanism were already present, intended for drop tanks.Historically, the Me262 could have shown up sooner than it did, had the German leadership not insisted that the Me262 be a bomber. The Ar234 would fill that role far better anyway.
According to Adolph Galland, there were no more than about 300 Me 262's flown and never more than about 100 to 125 at any one time.
1,300 seems formidable. 125 means there were probably no more than 4 to 8 in any "big" formation, and they were NOT easy to find in the air and maybe attackable. Lest we forget, they weren't flying along looking for opportunities. These early jets had a very short range and very probably KNEW where they were going when they launched and were probably back within 25 - 35 minutes mostly.
I just find that very hard to see happening, though impact is undeniable. Out of the 150 or so on strength in 1945, about 20 at any time might be ready. Sure, things were far more dicey for the germans in 1945, but the 43 force we are looking at are a collection of prototypes and half baked new birds coming off the production lines with average engine lifes of just 10 hours.
Performance wise, yes, if you get airborne the 262 is a formidable opponent, but of that force of 40 odds and sods cobbled together you might have an operational rate of 10 a/c, if your lucky and your 262 airbase(s) is not under constant harassment.
if the Germans have a fully fledged production line going, then the allies will have responded with like for like and have an accelarated program of there own. If the German have , say, 500 262s on order for delivery by say February '44, beginning in say June '43, its inconceivable to me that the Allies will not have responded in some way to that. Everything from switching all bomber assets to flattening the factory, including BC (which for the moment would be unnaffected by the 262 menace) through to accelarating their own jet programs to match the german advances. 262s certainly arent going to stop, or even slow down the cross channel crossing or the advance into Germany
Hmm - USAF joins the RAF in the night bombing job?
But those jet pilots are going to start on 'normal training flights'. I even highlighted the point that jet pilots don't start their flying on jets, even today.
Incidentally diesel fuel was not available 'in abundance'. I just happen to have been reading about the crisis in supply of both diesel and automotive fuel to German forces in Italy in September 1944 and there were other shortages elsewhere.
Cheers
Steve
Hmm - USAF joins the RAF in the night bombing job?
My understanding is the Allies had no knowledge of the German jet engine program until it was leaked in 1943 by Fritz Kolbe and their own program was run independent of German efforts.
diesel wasn't an issue until late 1944 in Germany due to the break down in production and transport. So from 1942-44 there is plenty for jets, in fact that was their biggest selling point, using cheap fuel.
For having a "lowest priority", there sure was a great deal of men and material dedicated (and lost) to the savage battles being waged in that "backwater"...Italy was a backwater and had the lowest priority for everything by 1944...
For having a "lowest priority", there sure was a great deal of men and material dedicated (and lost) to the savage battles being waged in that "backwater"...
Also, correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't the jet fuel being used a #2 Kerosene and not standard vehicle diesel?
The front in Italy was of serious strategic importance and can be hardly called a "backwater". If the southern front collapsed, the Allies had a straight shot at Germany's underbelly.Backwater fighting can't be fierce?