Is Democracy Over-rated?

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In all truth I believe the number of 50% is very low, and Readie we ain't bound by @@@@ .There is aught, blank, bottom, cipher, insignificancy, love, lowest point, nada, nadir, naught, nil, nix, nobody, nonentity, nought, nullity, oblivion, ought, rock bottom, scratch, shutout, void, zilch, zip, zot loyalty to the UK

Back on topic, now; getting bored by Canadian lack of interest.

On the topic of possible alternatives to democratic systems and capitalism currently in place, from the mid 1970s to the mid 1980s, New Zealand went from being the most heavily regulated democratic society in the world, "Fortress New Zealand" as it was dubbed, to a free market economy. After Rob Muldoon became Prime Minister in 1975, he introduced a cradle-to-the-grave welfare system that ensured that the ordinary New Zealander would have their own home on a quarter acre section of land, a car and a good income. He almost succeeded. His policies didn't really support the natives, who still largely lived in poverty and could neither read nor write.

Nevertheless, New Zealand became, according to one political commentator, the closest that any western democracy came to being a Socialist Utopia, despite Muldoon's party being classified as 'centre-right'. Every aspect of life was strictly controlled by government legistlation; from interest rates to what could be bought and sold in the local corner shop. If you wanted to buy a house or set up a business, or even go overseas, you had to apply for a licence to do so. The Bureaucracy structure was enormous and constituted the largest manpower organisation of the government. I remember as a youngster being in awe of the fact that one of the kids in my class had been overseas. This was not a common thing in the 1970s.

New Zealand's import/export status was not viewed very highly around the world, although it was the biggest exporter of beef and dairy products to Britain until that country became part of the EEC, which caused an enormous backlash, especially in rural communities. Few countries wished to trade with NZ because of its closed market policy. This meant that inward goods were few and far between; New Zealanders had to settle for home made imitations of foreign goods, like radios, tvs etc. Things like parmesan cheese and salami were unheard of. The most exotic way to eat was macaroni cheese and Chinese takeaways.

Muldoon, being Finance Minister decided the interest rates, which created rampant inflation. Because the economy was at the whim of Muldoon and not the common market, essential industries, such as agriculture and forestry were heavily subsidised. The problem was, the country was going bankrupt. In 1983 the Reserve Bank of New Zealand said that the money had run out and no one was going to lend us anymore. That year Muldoon called a snap election over the nuclear free NZ issue, which he did not support, despite some in his party who did (Marilyn Waring, the woman who defied the Prime Minister and by doing so sparked the biggest political overhaul in our history). Always a man who presumed he connected with the average NZer, although he really hadn't a clue, his party lost by a land slide.

David Lange's Labour party introduced a series of wide ranging and some say crippling policies, which dragged the country, kicking and screaming into the world markets. Sadly, the social outcome of these sweeping changes were apalling and many lost their jobs and small communities relying on state funded subsidies for their prime industries (forestry et al) evaporated almost overnight, as their citizens moved to the cities for work. Naturally, the money markets experienced a boom due to the fact that business found itself with an excess of cash and the ability to buy and sell abroad, which they never had before. it all came crashing down in the 1987 stock market crash. My parents lost a lot of money and we moved to Australia.
 
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According to you. You try walking into any returned service organisation in Canada spouting that. Oh, I forgot, those are the small minority that do. .
I'm almost 60 ,served nearly 10 years in the Canadian Forces am quite aware of the heraldry and such that the squadrons I served with yet I look around at my long time friends and about the only thing they care about the UK is Pink Floyd, Led Zeppelin etc . Plain and simple the UK don't matter to the run of the mill person here anymore then France or Egypt
 
I'm almost 60 ,served nearly 10 years in the Canadian Forces am quite aware of the heraldry and such that the squadrons I served with yet I look around at my long time friends and about the only thing they care about the UK is Pink Floyd, Led Zeppelin etc . Plain and simple the UK don't matter to the run of the mill person here anymore then France or Egypt

Really? I still find it hard to believe despite what you are saying. That's sad not to acknowledge your history. It still doesn't alter what John wrote though. Even a love for British Rock Music counts, maaan.
 
Really? I still find it hard to believe despite what you are saying. That's sad not to acknowledge your history. It still doesn't alter what John wrote though. Even a love for British Rock Music counts, maaan.
History is acknowledged but its different history with different influences. The sports played here are not the same Cricket is not played unless you are from SE Asia or the Carribean, the media is different the food is different . I can't even think of a person I know that eats mutton you have more chance of eating moose or venison .
 
"..... Like the Australians you love to 'hate' us"

We don't call you pommes .... but ... pb has a point. :) If a referendum was held to reject the Monarchy in Canada, I'm not at all sure the House of Windsor would prevail.

I don't share your sentiments pb but there is no denying that your sentiments are widely held in Canada. Just don't touch our Parliamentary Democracy. It works. :)

Proud Canadian and Monarchist

MM
 
In all truth I believe the number of 50% is very low, and Readie we ain't bound by @@@@ .There is

aught, blank, bottom, cipher, insignificancy, love, lowest point, nada, nadir, naught, nil, nix, nobody, nonentity, nought, nullity, oblivion, ought, rock bottom, scratch, shutout, void, zilch, zip, zot loyalty to the UK

Canada royal visit: Prince William and Kate Middleton begin tour of North America | Mail Online

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/cifamerica/2011/jul/01/william-kate-visit-canada

If you say so Neil...

John
 
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I really think you are reading to much into the visit it was post wedding If I brought a 5 legged dog to some of the places they visited it would draw the same, watch to see what happens after a no wedding visit....no one cares .

There are a lot of people here who profess the same sentiments as you Neil.

The world will celebrate QE2 's diamond anniversary next year with or without the dissenters.

I would say that a lot of the WASP Commonwealth are in denial of their British roots. Your countries are young enough for that not to be so far away in generation terms either.

John
 
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Not entirely, we gave the colonies ( including your America) stable governing and democracy.
The commonwealth have had their chances to 'boot out the British' Monarchy and chosen not to.
Blood is thicker than water
John
Some people think that we Colonists kicked the British out because of such things like "taxation without representation", heavy handed governing, religious reasons and so-on...

Actually, we didn't like the Tea... :evil4:
 
Some people think that we Colonists kicked the British out because of such things like "taxation without representation", heavy handed governing, religious reasons and so-on...

Actually, we didn't like the Tea... :evil4:

Touche.
Maybe we did that on purpose...:angel12:

Not like Tea? Good heavens, Tea has kept the Empire afloat for decades and is our solution to all disaster, injury and ghastly foreigners who dare to threaten invasion of out green and pleasant land. :whdat:

John
 
Ha Haa! I remember when I worked in the UK, the guys I worked with had tea breaks all the time; a group of them dinged the rudder of a Spitfire because they all rushed off for a tea break without chocking the wheels!

'Tea breaks' have kept the wolf from the door for generations Grant,

Shame about the Spitfire though...must have been a coffee lover at fault:lol:

John
 
'Tea breaks' have kept the wolf from the door for generations Grant,

Shame about the Spitfire though...must have been a coffee lover at fault:lol:

John

Hee hee! I remember starting there for the first time and walking into the crew room and sitting down, then having them just stare at me and say: "Well? Aren't you going to put the kettle on?" :lol:
 
Hee hee! I remember starting there for the first time and walking into the crew room and sitting down, then having them just stare at me and say: "Well? Aren't you going to put the kettle on?" :lol:


The immortal words that separates the British from the rest of the world.
Can't beat a cuppa.

John
 
Ha!

Just imagine if coffee wasn't available in Europe during WWII...not a single G.I. would have showed up for the fight!

So it looks like Coffee helped save the Tea, doesn't it?

Not necessarily...Tea came first and your forefathers decided to cut old Blighty adrift after a couple of misunderstandings and go your own way (with our benevolent approval rather as a father views an unruly but, good hearted child)
A few of your upper classes kept up the Tea habit while others experimented with some horrendous bean called coffee. 'no good will come of it' we warned...'cultural malais awaits...'
After a while in England your GI's discovered the delights of Tea, southeastern English girls, driving on the right side of the road, manual gearbox's and proper beer. So, apart from feeling good after sorting out Europe you also were culturally enriched.
Not a bad deal.
John
 

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