Sorry BiffF15,
re your post#524
All of the info I posted relative to air combat maneuvering is straight out of the current USN Basic ACM (Air Combat Maneuvers) manual.
The diagram I posted is from the manual and is labeled as I stated. The shaded area of the aircraft executing the maneuver is the aircraft rolling so that the bottom of the aircraft is facing you, it then continues the roll so that the top pf the aircraft is once again facing you.
As to the rest of your post, although some of it is correct, none of what you posted that contradicts what I stated is correct.
Again I refer you to the USN Basic ACM manual, and to the basic (for the most part) laws of physics, both available online.
ThomasP,
No disrespect taken.
Without having access to your reference source I will attempt to bring a bit more perspective to this convo.
The first time I saw the clip art / picture in your post it was of an offensive F4 against a Mig-21 while going through a program in AT-38s, called Lead In Fighter Training (LIFT) in 1989. It was used to describe an actual or theoretical encounter and how to handle it. Yes, in those days (Vietnam era) Phantom Drivers, and probably F8 guys as well, called it and used the Lag Scissors or Displacement Roll. If you watch the Dogfight Series on the History Channel it is shown at least once between a Mig and Phantom, I believe at low altitude over North Vietnam ending in a victory if I remember correctly. If you notice the offender is in lag (outside) the turn circle of the defender and about 1200-1500 in lag. The AIM-9 variant used in WWNam needed those parameters to work, and that is what the drawing was initially designed to show. However those terms are not in use by the USAF today and I never once encountered them by my USN/USMC brethren.
The maneuver depicted in your drawing now has what appears to be T-45s, but regardless depicts a shallow version of what I would call a Hi Yo-Yo. Scissors are a maneuver to get on or move towards your opponents 6. A drawing of it from Gods eye would look like a string of 8s stretched out in the shape of a footballs. Guys will cross each other's flight path once or numerous times depending on the entry set up, energy, a/c types, and skill of the pilots. It usually ends after a leaf or two.
In your commentary below the picture you mention a Martlet pulling up to trade energy for an increased turn rate. In actuality you trade energy for altitude and a smaller turn circle when you go over the top (transition from goin up to going down). Imagine you pull up to 45 degrees nose up with the intent of a split S but instead of rolling completely over you roll to something less and pull your nose back down. As seen from a God's Eye view your turn circle appears much smaller than an identical aircraft that does a hard turn starting just beneath you at the same time. This is the benefit of the Hi Yo-Yo and it's done for the most part only while on the offensive. If the manual says turn rate instead of turn radius it's incorrect in the example you gave.
I also recognize the roll aspect of the diagram. When maneuvering in relation to an opponent you must keep him in sight. Also very few pilots like extended negative G and will therefore roll to keep sight and maintain positive G on the plane.
Please have another look at what it says, and if able post in a scan.
Semantics between the branches have long been different, even including basics such as "aspect" angles. The USAF measures it from the tail of the opponents a/c while my anchor wing wearing friends measure it from the nose.
Cheers,
Biff