Jews ordered to register in the Ukraine

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  1. Thorlifter

    Thorlifter Well-Known Member

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    If this is real, it's scary! I did a search and didn't find anything disputing it.

    Jews ordered to register in east Ukraine

    Jews in the eastern Ukrainian city of Donetsk where pro-Russian militants have taken over government buildings were told they have to "register" with the Ukrainians who are trying to make the city become part of Russia, according to Ukrainian and Israeli media.

    Jews emerging from a synagogue say they were handed leaflets that ordered the city's Jews to provide a list of property they own and pay a registration fee "or else have their citizenship revoked, face deportation and see their assets confiscated," reported Ynet News, Israel's largest news website.

    Donetsk is the site of an "anti-terrorist" operation by the Ukraine government, which has moved military columns into the region to force out militants who are demanding a referendum be held on joining Russia. The news was carried first by the Ukraine's Donbass news agency.

    The leaflets bore the name of Denis Pushilin, who identified himself as chairman of "Donetsk's temporary government," and were distributed near the Donetsk synagogue and other areas, according to the reports.

    Pushilin acknowledged that flyers were distributed under his organization's name in Donetsk, but denied any connection to them, Ynet reported in Hebrew.

    Emanuel Shechter, in Israel, told Ynet his friends in Donetsk sent him a copy of the leaflet through social media.

    "They told me that masked men were waiting for Jewish people after the Passover eve prayer, handed them the flyer and told them to obey its instructions," he said.

    The leaflet begins, "Dear Ukraine citizens of Jewish nationality," and states that all people of Jewish descent over 16 years old must report to the Commissioner for Nationalities in the Donetsk Regional Administration building and "register."

    It says the reason is because the leaders of the Jewish community of Ukraine supported Bendery Junta, a reference to Stepan Bandera, the leader of the Ukrainian nationalist movement that fought for Ukrainian independence at the end of World War II, "and oppose the pro-Slavic People's Republic of Donetsk," a name adopted by the militant leadership.

    The leaflet then described which documents Jews should provide: "ID and passport are required to register your Jewish religion, religious documents of family members, as well as documents establishing the rights to all real estate property that belongs to you, including vehicles."

    Consequences for non-compliance will result in citizenship being revoked "and you will be forced outside the country with a confiscation of property." A registration fee of $50 would be required, it said.

    Olga Reznikova, 32, a Jewish resident of Donetsk, told Ynet she never experienced anti-Semitism in the city until she saw this leaflet.

    "We don't know if these notifications were distributed by pro-Russian activists or someone else, but it's serious that it exists," she said. "The text reminds of the fascists in 1941," she said referring to the Nazis who occupied Ukraine during World War II.

    Morton Klein, president of the Zionist Organization of America, the oldest pro-Israel group in the USA, said the leaflets should be seen in the context of a rising tide of anti-Semitism across Europe and the world, and that it should prompt a strong response from the White House.

    "This is a frightening new development in the anti-Jewish movement that is gaining traction around the world," Klein said.

    Michael Salberg, director of the international affairs at the New York City-based Anti-Defamation League, said it's unclear if the leaflets were issued by the pro-Russian leadership or a splinter group operating within the pro-Russian camp.

    But the Russian side has used the specter of anti-Semitism in a cynical manner since anti-government protests began in Kiev that resulted in the ousting of Ukraine's pro-Russian former president Viktor Yanukovych. Russia and its allies in Ukraine issued multiple stories about the the threat posed to Jews by Ukraine's new pro-Western government in Kiev, Salberg said.

    Those stories were based in part on ultra-nationalists who joined the Maidan protests, and the inclusion of the ultra-nationalist Svoboda party in Ukraine's new interim government. But the threat turned out to be false, he said.

    Svoboda's leadership needs to be monitored, but so far it has refrained from anti-Semitic statements since joining the government, he said. And the prevalence of anti-Semitic acts has not changed since before the Maidan protests, according to the ADL and the Ukrainian Helsinki Human Rights Union, which monitors human rights in Ukraine.

    Distributing such leaflets is a recruitment tool to appeal to the xenophobic fears of the majority, "to enlist them to your cause and focus on a common enemy, the Jews," Salberg said.

    And by targeting Donetsk's Jews, they also send a message to all the region's residents, Salberg said.

    "The message is a message to all the people that is we're going to exert our power over you," he said. "Jews are the default scapegoat throughout history for despots to send a message to the general public: Don't step out of line."
     
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    Wait and see what results. I wouldn't take such things at face value, particularly at such a time and in such a volatile situation. There are all sorts of reasons why certain group(s) might pull a stunt like this. The inevitable knee jerk and sometimes hysterical reaction which it will provoke in the west is not exactly difficult to predict.
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    If anything, this recent episode by the "seperatists" is a move to try and gain support for a cause that is not having the momentum they were hoping for.

    Seizing the Crimea is one thing, but this continued encroachment on Ukraine proper is another matter entirely and if anything, will undermine any sympathy Putin might have had for "annexing" the Crimea itself.

    I was just reading an article about the new oil reserves they have located in southern Russia and the comments regarding this crisis with the Ukraine/Crimea is a U.S. engineered situation. The idea behind that is that the U.S. will be coming for that oil too, just like the U.S. invaded Venezuela and took their oil (i had to stop for a moment, the laughter was too much to keep reading).
     
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    This is just beyond weird!
     
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    Isn't it astounding in this information age, with global access to data, that conspiracy theories and bigotry are actually on the increase. Makes me shake my head in disbelief about the ability of the human race to set low standards for itself and then consistently fail to achieve them. :rolleyes:
     
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    imho, it's hardly weird. Anti-Semitism has a long and dishonorable tradition in Russia. Just one of many policies the soviets kept from the monarchy.
     
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    My first thought as well....
     
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    They saying its a hoax but history is a kick in the pants.

    basically Russia wants Ukraine to be a slave state to Moscow.
    and nothing else will do.
    I am wondering if the East Ukraine is genuinely wanting to split or this is just Soviet propaganda.

    At least Putin is now seen as the creature he is.
     
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    Makes me think of that saying that the first casualty in war is the truth.

    Simple thing is this. Dont believe everything you read on this issue. Have to wait and see if anything comes of this
     
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    The leaflets are not a hoax in that they appear to exist. So quo bono? Who benefits. The Jewish community has nothing to gain by raising the profile of anti semitism. The Russian nationalists can gain by frightening Ukrainians by proxy. The Ukrainian nationalists can gain by smearing the Russians with anti semitism.
    My opinion is that the Russian government are pulling every trick to intimidate Ukrainians into ceding eastern Ukraine, including strengthening Russian forces in Transdneistria so threatening the Ukrainians from both east and west. This bears the hallmarks of their renta-bully-boys they have used in the balkans.
    The people to watch are the Poles. They will not stand by and let Russia invade eastern Ukraine without helping the Ukrainians with military force and the Germans are close allies of the Poles whatever the status of the Ukrainians with the EU and NATO. Invade western Ukraine and you meet the Polish army. Act militarily against Poland and you invoke NATO.

    FWIW the rumour mill states that, weeks ago, Putin demanded a plebiscite in eastern Ukraine. The Unkrainians allegedly said fine. We will hold it at the same time as you hold one in Chechnya...........

    One wonders what would happen if the Moldavians and Ukrainians acted together to clear Transdneistria to return it to Moldavian control. Even more upsetting to the Russians would be if Moldavia decided to unite with Romania thereafter. There is so much history around there that has been put on the back burner since 1914.
     
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    Hoax in the sense of not policy.
    Putin is master and Ukraine will be done.
    Some expert was saying invading Ukraine wasnt Russian policy. It doesnt have to be.
    Threat of invasion is ample. I feel sorry for the Ukraine. Really do. The West aint gonna bleed and the Russians dont have the decency to even pretend to be nice.
     
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    "...the Russians dont have the decency to even pretend to be nice..."

    Agreed. It's the humiliation of their adversaries that is so loathsome. Americans have never done that , and God knows they have been in some troublesome quarrels.... :) ... as we all know and the Left never lets us forget :) ....!

    Russia is fundamentally corrupt ... to the core ( just as in was in 1904-05 and has always been) .... and declining numerically as a society. Putin can strut bare-chested all he wants but he is running a massive petro-banana Republic with serious productive, industrious customers like Germany .. that have creative economies . The man has a problematic ego .... hockey sense says play the man.
     
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    One other problem that is a factor here, is the Russian mob is very active in the Ukraine and other Balkan countries.

    One of the reasons for unrest initially in the Ukraine, is that the people have had enough of the corruption. As things escelated in Kiev (where all this started) the door was left open to move into the Crimea. Anybody with half a mind would see that it's a shell-game being played by Moscow.

    Putin is banking on the fact that the west won't have the stomach to risk a full-blown shooting war, so he's playing Hitler's "little bit here, little bit there" game while one side rattles their sabres and the other side "speaks sternly but hopes for peace" and he's right in the middle doing what he wants just like in 1938/39...

    Perhaps the papers should print a full page caption: "Peace In Our Time!"
     
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    I am shocked and appalled that a so called modern state could act in a stupid manner.

    At least Putin is off the list of nice guys.

    I understand why and what they are doing.

    Ukraine today but who tomorrow?
     
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