Korean Problems

[timshatz]

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CnG_ycQECwY though we do not care as long as it is their simulation or dream...

Watched it. Couldn't follow what was going on.

 

[Catch22]

..or that Canada's imperialistic aspirations finally came to the forefront and they notified the non-nuke world that they were taking over the galaxy.

Be afraid!

 

[Shinpachi]

Sorry timshatz. Some explanation was needed.

The Korean movie "Han Ban Do(meaning Korean Peninsula. introduced in 2006)" says North and South of Korea can anytime be unified if Japan may try invasion on the peninsula again. A Korean friend of mine said the same thing fifteen years ago too.
That means "South does not hate North or Kim Jong Il from the bottom of their hearts".

 

[GrauGeist]

Perhaps the best solution here, is to get the NK public to overthrow thier current regime, much like some of the former Warsaw pact nations did...

That would seem to me like the best work-around for a potentially global situation.

 

[timshatz]

Sorry timshatz. Some explanation was needed.

The Korean movie "Han Ban Do(meaning Korean Peninsula. introduced in 2006)" says North and South of Korea can anytime be unified if Japan may try invasion on the peninsula again. A Korean friend of mine said the same thing fifteen years ago too.
That means "South does not hate North or Kim Jong Il from the bottom of their hearts".

Gotcha Shin, the old saw of using an outside threat to unify a divided country/people. Been used time and again in the past (The Falklands War comes to mind right away). Only runs second to "uniting against the internal threat" trick. That one is a big one for the Communist/Socialist movements.

Thanks for the info.

 

[Torch]

I'm curious to see whom Kim picked or will as a replacement, I'm sure the pick would be someone who's another fanatic along the same lines, so who knows if anything would improve once Kim died anyway. If he's young it might be another 50 years of the same...

 

[BombTaxi]

I think he has selected one of his sons for the job, Torch

RE: unilateral disarmament, I'd just like to clarify my position slightly (and this goes for both threads).

Firstly, I am advocating scrapping Trident. I have no issue with the RAF or RN maintaining a n uclear cruise missile capability. But I really do think our SLBMs are something we don't need.

Secondly, SALT talks etc are just like the Washington Naval Treaty and it's sequels in the 1920s/30s. No-one will dump their whole arsenal overnight, but if the big players take clear and positive steps in that direction, a drawdown can begin. The US decision to scrap the Tillman BBs and the Montanas took a lot of cojones - far more than Britain's promises to 'scrap' the ships that we hadn't even started. But these action persuaded the Japanese to make concessions too. What Obama and Medvedyev/Putin did at the last SALT talks were similar - they showed a willingness to begin to disarm, inviting other states to do likewise. We just need to avoid doing what the British did at the London Treaty in 1935 - inviting the bad guys in and unilaterally overthrowing the restrictions on the German Navy to appease Hitler. That would be like telling Kim he can have SLBMs as long as he only has a few, and that would be stupid.

I am not naive enough to think there will ever be a world with no nukes - they are here to stay. But no power needs the kind of planet-destroying firepower that the USA/USSR/China has. They just need to keep making those small, definite steps towards a more sensible level of force.

 

[timshatz]

Bombtaxi, isn't that post supposed to be in the Defense cut thread? I think they were talking about cutting nukes for Britian over there.

 

[BombTaxi]

Yeah sorry, I think it applies to this thread, defence cuts and the one about nuke numbers in some respects, I guess I picked the wrong one out of the three. I knew what I meant anyway

 

[Matt308]

My fault, Timshatz. I egged him on, so Taxi's response was appropriate.

 

[drgondog]

China is the only country to hold the cards. Our message (quiet and back channel) is make sure China understands our role as the key funder of chinese military stops with a 50% tariff on all chinese imports if they don't start being part of the solution with NK and Iran..

Having said that it will never happen and Taiwan is the next shoe to drop in US/China relations.

 

[Colin1]

North Korea warns it will meet war with 'all-out war' - CNN.com

 

[timshatz]

North Korea warns it will meet war with 'all-out war' - CNN.com

Ya' know, I'd give this the same creedence as I gave Saddam's "Mother of all battles" speach before the first Gulf War if it weren't for all the totally dedicated nutjob soliders that the NKs have in their Army. The equipment may be old, but those guys are dedicated.

On the other hand, I think these guys declare "all out war" every two weeks, don't they?

 

[timshatz]

My fault, Timshatz. I egged him on, so Taxi's response was appropriate.

There's always one guy out there, nudging the guy, saying, "Go ahead, do it, it'll be fun".

One of my favorite duties in life (the other being the guy who gets nudged)

 

[Night Fighter Nut]

I'm curious to see whom Kim picked or will as a replacement, I'm sure the pick would be someone who's another fanatic along the same lines, so who knows if anything would improve once Kim died anyway. If he's young it might be another 50 years of the same...

I remember an article some time back that mentioned who he would pick. One of his younger sons who has been educated in the West someplace. Funny thing is he doesn't really want to be the "Great Leader!" I think there was another artricle just recently saying all this mess is only a stunt for the transition to power and his stepping down as the great leader.

 

[Messy1]

Interesting posts guys! Thanks for sharing your views.

 

[BombTaxi]

There's always one guy out there, nudging the guy, saying, "Go ahead, do it, it'll be fun".

One of my favorite duties in life (the other being the guy who gets nudged)

I was tired and vunerable! And I couldn't be doing with trawling over to the other thread to make the same point, but then I also enjoy both of those duties

I totally agree Tim that the NK soldiers are dedicated to the cause and a war in Korea won't be a war in Iraq. I still agree with Matt that it would be a short war, but it would be an extremely bloody one, I fear. IMHO, the only strategy would be to hold the line as best as possible while air/sea power interdicts and cuts off thier logistical support. Even then, you've still got a lot of NK soldiers to deal with while the interdiction takes effect...

 

[timshatz]

I was tired and vunerable! And I couldn't be doing with trawling over to the other thread to make the same point, but then I also enjoy both of those duties

I totally agree Tim that the NK soldiers are dedicated to the cause and a war in Korea won't be a war in Iraq. I still agree with Matt that it would be a short war, but it would be an extremely bloody one, I fear. IMHO, the only strategy would be to hold the line as best as possible while air/sea power interdicts and cuts off thier logistical support. Even then, you've still got a lot of NK soldiers to deal with while the interdiction takes effect...

Agreed, short (no strategic partner to back if China is even lukewarm about it all) and very bloody. Wars in the Orient usually are. Hope it doesn't get to that but you really have to wonder if it is nothing more than a question of time. Sooner or later, those guys (the NKs) are going to screw up big enough to start a brawl. A certain flavor to it like Europe in pre-WW1 days. Sooner or later it will happen with the eventual collapse of NK being the only wild card in the mix.

 

[RabidAlien]

Remember...."Never get involved in a land-war in Asia."

 

[Torch]

Interesting, China just offered condolences to SK...perhaps an indirect warning to NK to knock it off.