Last Bodyguard who saw Hitler has passed away

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  1. B-17engineer

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    Page 3: Hitler Bodyguard Rochus Misch Dies at 96 - ABC News
     
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    Really long article so I linked you to page 3
     
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    Thanks for sharing. That will be a book I will be interested to read when released.

    Cheers Chris
     
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    Hmmm.... Amazon only lists the German language version - nothing for preorder in English.
     
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    Bloody hell, best learn some more German sharpish then.
    I hope if a translated version is released that its not like reading Mein Kampf.

    Translation aside, I couldn't read past one third if it. Utter rubbish and not well written at all in my opinion.

    Cheers Chris
     
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    You got further than I did, then: I only got like 2-3 pages in before my eyes were glazing over.
     
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    Putting the personality of Misch to one side for a moment. This man was 96 when he died and just think of how many changes he had seen in his life time, his memories must have ranged from the horse drawn 1920's, through Hitler's bunker and into the modern world as we know it today, you couldn't make up a story like that.
     
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    I should have mentioned that it took me six months and lot of travelling to get that far.
     
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    I am of two minds about this.
    One is, "What a great witness to History" and, (after reading it), "Good riddance".
    An unrepentant Nazi that still revered his "Fuhrer".
    "They never discussed it in front of me." What nonsense. The mantra of every SS lackey.
    I am sure that they didn't. No one did. After all, it didn't happen, those photographs and eyewitness accounts by Allied soldiers, well, they were mistaken.
    As with the memoires of Heinz Knoke, and Hans Rudel, this must be taken with a keen eye to a distortion of history that is unique to old men that wish to make their involvement; Shall we say, less than it really was?
     
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    Unfortunately, Paul, there are people who suffer from the "Emperor's New Clothes" syndrome...

    They see only what they want to see and tell thier own version based on that perspective. I do find his story (and other's like his) interesting, however take alot of what they say with a grain of salt.

    From a historical perspective, it's damn fascinating, like the parts about the bunker and trips to Berchtesgaden and such because it allows a glimpse into an otherwise secret world.
     
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    Precisley my incentive to read (im no Nazi fan/sympathiser for sure) If Hitler managed to Brainwash a nation I find it hard to believe this guy wasn't the same. Especially given his close proximity to him for a lengthy amount of time.
    Also, from reading the extract. Given that they were given the reponsibility of operating the phones etc and given he was a body guard (hence being very close at all times) I find it hard to believe he was not aware of the goings on in the concentration camps. I don't suppose he had any influence or say on the matter but I just don't believe he want aware. Probably sworn to take it to the grave with him or just an attempt to omit responsibility.

    I hope it's released in English to enable closer scrutiny.

    Cheers Chris
     
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    Exactly, that is how I see it as well.
     
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    Undoubtedly, many here have read "The Bunker" by James P. O'Donnell which I thought was a great read. Misch was the only person in the book that I liked, if it's possible to like such a person.

    Geo
     
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    Just because someone is charming it is doesn't mean that they are not a complete sh1t, often complete sh1ts get away with being complete sh1ts just by being charming, look at Cameron and Blair for example.
     
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    Sorry, not up on British politics.....or Canadian politics.....or politics....

    Geo
     
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    As I understand it, the politics section here on WW2.net was eliminated for good reason.
    Having said that, I now delve into a bit of it.
    (Stay with me here.) The National Socialist Workers Party in Germany was bad. Not to be simplistic, but, it was.
    As I understand it, to join the SS, you should be a Nazi. Or at least sympathetic to the Nazi ideas. Now, to get to be a bodyguard to Hitler, one would think that this someone would be a true believer. I am pretty sure that they had a test of some kind. Maybe a trick question or something, I don't know.
    The up-shot of all this is that I don't like this guy and I don't trust his report on history.
    I heard enough whitewashing crap from my grandmother as a child, I don't trust Nazi's.
     
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    I can understand how people got sucked up into Der Fuhrer's line of crap. He was charismatic, he said all the right things at the right time...in essence, he was selling "hope" and "change" to the people of Germany who've been living through crushing economic depression, sagging national pride and a dismal future.

    We can look back now and see through his BS, but to the people of the time, they really beleived. At first. Then his true colors showed through but for some, they were still star-struck and no matter how much truth you showed them, they still saw Hitler as thier great savior.

    There have been many parallels in history, like Chairman Mao, Uncle Joe and other recent political figures. You would think that people would take advantage of history to safeguard thier future, but this never seems to be the case.
     
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    Meatloaf109 you wrote, The National Socialist Workers Party in Germany was bad. Not to be simplistic, but, it was.
    As I understand it, to join the SS, you should be a Nazi. Or at least sympathetic to the Nazi ideas. Now, to get to be a bodyguard to Hitler, one would think that this someone would be a true believer. I am pretty sure that they had a test of some kind. Maybe a trick question or something, I don't know.
    The up-shot of all this is that I don't like this guy and I don't trust his report on history.

    I think that is a very good point, when you think of how many attempts there were on Hitler's life then his personal bodyguard must have been the most trusted of the trusted.
     
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