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Yep, the British should have persevered with this design instead.
At least it had slats.
Or for a bomber prototype
Or fit heavy nose guns to this as a bomber destroyer. Just think of the angle of attack this could pull
I am not sure that any did, Or perhaps a few STOL aircraft with full span slats had manually operated ones?
The part span slats, like on the 109 and the 3 planes I posted photos of, don't do a darn thing for lift/airflow until the angle of attack exceeds 13-14 degrees and nobody tries take-off with that angle of attack on the wing. Even the Ryan Dragonfly in the photos here is going to make it's take-off ground run at an angle of attack at which the slats are pretty much useless. If the tail wheel comes up the angle of attack is really far from the slats useful angle.
What happens after the wheels leave the ground is a different story but the large angles of attack the slats work at are also very high in drag to lift, making gaining airspeed difficult. Useful for clearing obstacles (trees, hills, buildings) near the runway but not so good otherwise.
I hope that makes sense.
I thought the Lysander had automatic slots, certainly could be wrong on that
It has been pointed out here that many German LW aces said getting in a turning fight with a Spitfire was very unwise even when the Spitfire MK V was outclassed in all other fields of performance. Those were lucky men to even see a Spitfire because most crashed on takeoff,, where is my $1000. You seem to confuse normal pilots with Joachim Marseille who certainly did shoot across the chord and definitely shot down planes he could not see. That is life there are occasionally people appear who can do something with a piece of machinery that others cannot, I have two arms and ten fingers but that doesnt mean I will ever play a guitar like Clapton.Absolutely correct, and not in dispute!!!
What is in question is what happens to the 109 after it has gone past 13-14, or even 15 Degrees Angle of Attack?
Can it make use of that extra 10-12 Degrees AoA that the Leading edge slats give it in combat, not necessarily to evade, but to pull extra G to make the pointing adjustment to fire his guns at a target that other planes with AoA's in the 12-15 Degree range can not even shoot at?
Absolutely correct, and not in dispute!!!
What is in question is what happens to the 109 after it has gone past 13-14, or even 15 Degrees Angle of Attack?
Can it make use of that extra 10-12 Degrees AoA that the Leading edge slats give it in combat, not necessarily to evade, but to pull extra G to make the pointing adjustment to fire his guns at a target that other planes with AoA's in the 12-15 Degree range can not even shoot at?
I am wondering, If slats/slots worked the way Shooter claims, why slot equipped TBF Avengers didn't turn inside Zeros and shoot them down??
Because the TBF guys didn't want to make the SBD guys look bad!I am wondering, If slats/slots worked the way Shooter claims, why slot equipped TBF Avengers didn't turn inside Zeros and shoot them down??
Because in a tight turn, you're adversary will disappear below your cowling, that's why.You have seen the light! If you take the top 100 to 150 Me-109 Ace pilots who scored over 100 kills, and add up their scores, they shot down more planes than the Entire RAF, ALL of the USAAF Fighter commands, the Russians, or any other single Air Force. Maybe the second and third scoring AFs above combined?
As to the second point about the bit in Yellow above, you are terribly uninformed. Why would you shoot at a plane you can not see?
Marseille could fly into a Lufberry circle and shoot planes out of it, this sometimes involved flying with flaps lowered, no one knew how he hit the target but he did. Maybe he had a three dimensional picture in his mind or estimated from the plane in front, what is certin he shot at such massive deflection the target was below the nose of his plane.As to the second point about the bit in Yellow above, you are terribly uninformed. Why would you shoot at a plane you can not see? The simple fact is that the inverted engine gave the 109 pilot's a better view over the nose than a Mustang, or Spit. But that is not even remotely relevant!
When the Ace pulls the extra Gs to make the shot, he still has a clear LoS to the target.
Make the diagram I explained before and the see how far ahead the target has to be to still fall under the 109's guns which are pointed some 7 Degrees above the lowest possible Line of Sight.