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I can describe my Grandfather's experience in then Czechoslovakia. He was plant manager
I can relate my Grandparents experience in Czechoslovakia. My grandfather was the manager of a decorative ceramics factory, having been promoted from being a ceramics artist. After occupation he was visited and asked to manufacture small technical ceramic parts but mostly business was as usual, making lovely ceramic figurines. In the words of my Grandmother "the Germans were polite because they wanted everyone to go to work and make things for the war". After about 2 years, the political types (Gestapo) enforced anti semite rules, such as "no Jew may own a business". A personal friend of my grandfather was Jewish and by closing his stationery shop was bankrupted. My grandfather secretly took in all his inventory and sold it slowly in the company store and gave him the money, allowing him to get out. A Gestapo type suspected my grandfather of helping a Jew, and began arresting him for interrogation regularly. My grandfather complained to the German supply officer (that he was cooperating with to make the technical parts) and that man got the Gestapo guy admonished. As revenge, the Gestapo man made a report that my grandfather was a ceramic scientist/ engineer and he was forcibly collected and sent to work involuntarily far away, making military items. The working conditions were poor. He was freed only in 1946 and returned home thin and frail, and he developed silicosis after a few years and died in 1954. My grandmother did not forgive the Nazi. When the Russians came, she said they were much more rough and cruel than the occupying Germans. They accused the Czechs of being too wealthy, and too complicit. They raped anyone fingered as ethnic German. It didn't need to be true. They destroyed Jewish monuments that had survived the Nazis and persecuted Jews who had survived the camps and made it home. Jews changed their names and renounced their faith to avoid being expelled from school and job, and hope their regular interrogations checking for loyalty might reduce. They seized the factory and any homes considered bourgeois and forced the owners to take in tenants. Unlike the Germans who negotiated a price for goods allowing small profit, the Russians set the price of the goods and the exchange rate, causing shortages and poverty. They rewrote Czech history and taught that only Russia was good and that they were lucky to be junior members of the USSR. They forbade maintenance of buildings they considered "nationalistic" and built ugly Stalin statues and Soviet monuments. By chance, I was visiting as a child as the 1968 invasion occurred. I got to hear the tanks rumbling and the gunfire, see the flowers on the spot where people suicided in protest, felt the massive anxiety of the crowds being herded.
 
On a very general note, I have become convinced of the fact that wartime propaganda tends to become official history. History is written by the victorious. That there are no "good armies" only a mix of good and bad people. Ethically Good Regiments / units etc. Happen when there is esprit de corps, and constant guidance and correction from ethically trained officers with actual sanctions. I've personally talked to many veterans of the first and Second World War, the Korean War, Vietnam war, Yugoslavian conflict, Rhodesian conflict, Falkland's war, Yom Kippur war. I had a unique opportunity when very young as a member of the Royal Highlanders of Canada reserve unit and did security on the veterans parties. The vets, drinking, seeing me in their old uniform, saw themselves in me. They opened up to me completely and I was and am honoured to have listened to their trauma, pride, guilt, and all. I was told things that seemed impossible but based on the profound PTSD physiological responses were absolutely true to them. Those men are all gone now, we can't ask them anymore. Now we have a new war. Based on my own beliefs, the Russian soldiers are going to behave badly because they largely are aware they are invading for a kleptocrat. They know they are not "the good guys", and the perverts and psychopaths are free to be themselves. But among the Russian soldiers are excellent humans who will bayonet a fellow soldier raping a child, and who will refuse certain orders. They are the true Heros of Russia and mankind. Most such Heros are never rewarded. Instead the opposite (see unit citations given to the units in Bucha who committed atrocities). It's a complex topic, I encourage no one to hate.
 
Start here Occupation of Czechoslovakia (1938–1945) - Wikipedia
 
Has WW2 ended? For some nations it is still not, because the losses have not been compensated...
"The Nazi occupation of Greece decimated its finances, left hundreds of thousands of civilians dead and all but destroyed the country's ancient Jewish communities. Some Greeks, including the country's former president Prokopis Pavlopoulos, think Germany should pay reparations.
At the feet of the Parthenon last week, a cache of lawyers met to discuss the pressing need for Greece and Poland, another erstwhile victim of the Nazi yoke, to receive its dues. Germany, so far, is playing hardball. This month's conference was the culmination of a coordinated six-year effort to open up direct avenues of inquiry with the German government regarding Nazi-era reparations – an avenue Athens itself tried and failed at throughout the 2010s.
Berlin has frequently indulged in international lectures on topics ranging from Brexit to beef, but it is quieter on this uncomfortable subject. How much longer can it ignore pleas to pay up?
Like its Greek counterpart, but unlike many of its close neighbours, the Polish government did not collaborate with the Nazis or the Soviets, and almost six million Poles died as a result of these occupations. Completed between 2017 and 2022, the Polish government's research into the impact of the Second World War on Poland's development is the most comprehensive research of its kind. It will provide a blueprint for pursuing Ukraine's grievances in the coming years. The report found that the material cost of the occupation was the equivalent of a trillion pounds, not to mention the irreplaceable theft of human potential.
Even this figure is conservative, merely taking into account the damages inflicted on the 'Core Lands' of Poland, which excludes the territories it lost to the Soviet Union.
In April, Poland's council of ministers adopted a resolution to affirm that the country had never received reparations from Germany for their brutal occupation. German ministers have been clear: the matter is settled. But Berlin's attempt to close the book on this issue is based on a shameful misreading of history. The Polish people never renounced its claims to reparations, nor has it already received compensation.
Those who take umbrage with Warsaw often suggest that Germany's relinquishing of several territories to Poland in 1945 were adequate recompense for the horrors of war. Germany signed an unconditional surrender with the Allied powers who then chose to grant part of former German lands from the Oder River to Pomerania to Poland. These decisions were agreed at the Yalta, Tehran and Potsdam conferences as partial compensation for lands removed from Poland by the USSR in Lithuania, Belarus and Ukraine. Poland was not represented at these talks, and the land swap amounted to a poorly-veiled ploy by Stalin to further distance the West from his centre of power in Moscow. No honest historian could take this seriously as a fair resolution to Poland' suffering.
Nor is the outright denial of reparations consistent with Germany's previous response to similar requests. In 2001, the Bundestag approved compensation payments to Nazi-era slave labourers, including thousands of Poles, and similar isolated schemes had gone ahead in the 1970s and 1990s. In 2021, Germany pledged €1.1 billion (£940 million) in development projects to its ex-colony Namibia where it oversaw genocide and forced experimentation. Germany has also issued around $86.8 billion (£68 billion) in reparations to Holocaust victims.
One British delegate recounted to me in horror how a German official had privately suggested to him that Jewish people were 'in a different league' to Poles when it came to reparations. This bizarre remark is startlingly blinkered to the fact that many Holocaust victims and their families remain without recompense due to Germany's bungled interactions with Warsaw, not in spite of them.
While one Polish civil servant admitted to me that there was no agreed roadmap to settling these claims, he assured me that a Polish delegation will soon visit Washington to meet with Jewish groups. Such progress can only be a positive sign that Warsaw intends to offer Jewish victims and their families their fair share of any future German reparations.
No doubt the reparations debate has become unfashionable on the right, for which the United States' toxic 'white guilt' movement bears much responsibility. But it would be a mistake to dismiss Poland's serious claims by judging them through the prism of transatlantic culture wars.
Conversely, some progressive voices complain that Poland's push for reparations amounts to a nefarious plot by its right-wing government to ramp up support prior to this year's election. Of course, a government is unlikely to pursue a policy they think will be deeply unpopular, but already 66 per cent of Poles support the plans, far more than the government's core voter base. In any case, are victims of war less worthy of retribution because they are viewed as too socially conservative by Berlin's standards?
What this saga reveals more than anything is that Berlin remains in denial about its full role in the horrors of the twentieth century. Only in 2020, did Germany finally approve plans to construct a memorial for Polish victims of Nazi aggression. Poles are in no hurry to forget that many of their historic paintings still hang in the German galleries to which Nazi looters ferried them, and this cannot bode well for an already troubled continent.
By far the most moving part of last week's conference came in its closing moments. Accompanied by a sombre soundtrack peppered with an ominous bell chime, we were shown a short CGI reconstruction of the post-apocalyptic streets of Warsaw in Spring 1945, panning over its broken bridges as the details of its dramatic population collapse rolled in place of credits.
It reinforced the chilling truth that there are thousands of people now living in these once-ruined streets and across the world who no doubt still wake recoiling from nightmares of these horrors. These painful fissures of memory mark most Polish families in some way, and they are well within their rights to pursue some rectification. Only in 2010 did Germany cease paying reparations to France for its 1914 invasion. Why is it too late for Poland?
'A lesson unheard cannot be unlearned,' Pavlopoulos told the conference. Poland has done its best to back up and publicise its claims against Germany. The ball is now firmly in the court of Berlin and its international chums to take action."
source: The Spectators
 
Hi
I think you will find that that Jewish "succession" through the female line dates from, at least, the first century CE.

Mike
I was told that by an Israeli engineer in Greece. Looking at wiki, some started in the first century, others in the 12th
 
A remarkable Czech young man I met in 1979 as a fellow employee, escaped during the 1968 situation with two friends. The three lived in Paris when they began to notice they were being observed and sometimes followed. My fellow employee and one friend came to the US while the third stayed in Paris. As of our conversation in 1979, the two friends here had not heard from the one left in Paris. The man I worked with had impressive electronic ability. He visited our district as a specialist to give assistance on a new microfilm retrieval system which encoded documents as they were filmed, allowing the reader/printer to search a roll of developed film at high speed and find a particular document requested. The system worked by seeing a code first hit at high speed, rewinding at medium speed for a second hit, then forward at slow to third hit and stop. The company procedure was complicated and did not always give desired results. Most of us developed our own calibrations for each machine. As the specialist and I worked on my unit, he waved his hand to an area of one of the circuit boards and commented, "All of this part is sh*t. I told them but they still want the standard procedure." After we could not get reliable results with the "standard procedure", he showed me a very simplified adjustment that worked and told me, "You understand, this is not standard procedure." When I asked about his friend that came to the US with him, he said he was working with another high tech, well known company.
 
It's a complex topic, I encourage no one to hate.
My kind of hatred and hatred towards Russian troops in Ukraine, are entirely different.

I put it simple as possible...

Russians, are not Ukrainians, nor Ukrainians are Russians.

On the other side... A rulers duty is to prosper his domain, in one way or another.

Regardless of "official" relations between countries, outsiders and foreigners, are not welcomed... Doing one mistake, and they're a moving target by a force that can't be stopped.

If you didn't notice what I am pointing...

1- Iran's leaders try to pretend to be Arabs, and follower of their beliefs... Iranians and Arabs, are not same.

2- Thanks to regime's aggressive actions, we are known as "Terrorists" and "unsafe to travel".

3- if an Arab rapes an Iranian girl, noone can catch him. Even if they kill the girl after rape, it doesn't matter to regime leaders.

Add history, culture and other differences, you'll have a better understanding of situation.

There are way more to say, if you're interested.
 
It used to be, now it is written by Youtubers who consider 2 hours research to be comprehensive, their only talent is to crowbar words like "insane" and "stupid" into a headline about people who were neither insane or stupid.
I wonder if there is any higher tier than "I strongly agree with you"!

That sentence is not enough! We need a way stronger version.
 
I wonder if there is any higher tier than "I strongly agree with you"!

That sentence is not enough! We need a way stronger version.
In the world of Youtube history, the more rubbish you put in and the more provocative the headline is, then the more money you make. People click and "view" to argue the points, but they never get changed or taken down, you are usually told that "I have another video that covers that"
 
Check and see if the Ukrainians might help - they seem to be really good at reclaiming stolen land!
And like the Israelis and their often belligerent neighbours, today's Ukrainian women don't take any sh#t from Russians or anyone else and are armed and ready.



 
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True!

History is written by historians on the victorious side.

But there are two main types of official histories - ones written by members of the military using selected documents that shows their force(s) in the best light and ones written by people that analyse all the information from both sides and tell the truth - including the bits the military desire to have hidden.

The RAF bomber command history is of the second sort and caused a lot of demands for a rewrite from those in power.
 
My father was born Czech and left in 1944 or so, went to Austria then Canada in 1952 or so. Around 1967 he began to travel to Czechoslovakia looking for his father. The secret police persuaded him to become a spy. One of his jobs back in Canada was to call up and threaten Czechs who escaped in 1968, demanding large sums of money else all their friends and family in Czechoslovakia would be punished. Hence yes, I believe your friend was followed in Paris. In 1978 My father was caught stealing the entire set of drawing "aperture cards" for the L1011 and was given the offer of prison or surrender his passport. He went to Czechoslovakia where he was treated as a double agent, forced to spend months in a spartan reeducation camp, then given a trivial job. I left out the part where a CIA director came to the house for a two minute meeting explaining that my father would be allowed to live only if he was never again noticed by CIA. That visit drove RCMP nuts.
 
We need to realize that this has existed throughout history, often with an imbalance of the sexes being part of the reason for conquest. (even seen in things like wolf pack conflicts) In no way to condone forceable intercourse, but it ranges from brutality to favor seeking to willing collaboration. The end result was mixed children ... with some surprising endings.
As a USAAF dependent, we were the first American families into Japan in '46. Dad was in charge of facilities, and Tachikawa AFB had a large stockade for all services. Many were there for theft and military transgressions, and they were used as laborers around the base. Those of serious crimes, including rape were confined and dealt with immediately, often shipped to stateside prisons. The Japanese ran local police activities, but servicemen were disciplined in military courts ... which became an issue later ... as it remained that way through VietNam at least. Forced sex with Nisei was not tolerated in any way, and some guys were caught in a double standard when a B-girl led a guy on and later brought charges, gaining in the process while his life was ruined.
We also served in France '51-55 and the Officer's Wives Club adopted a couple local orphanages. These kids were largely from the German occupation, and shunned by the citizens. They were raised with good schooling and religious guidance, and Mom was pleased to hear from some later who had become successful in life and many community leaders.
Back to the Japanese occupation. Obviously, with the lack of men and human nature, many mixed-race kids grew up as outcasts in the '50s. Many got their comeuppance in the Westernization wave, and by the '60s, many mixed kids became popular music, fashion and movie stars because of their Anglo/Negroid features, then considered exotic and fashionable.
 
This reminds me of a statement by a African American jazz player in the late 50s or early 60s. I cant remember which one but on return from a tour of Europe with a more famous group he was asked by an NAACP reporter about how he found racism in Europe.

He replied to the effect that when he left America he thought racism was purely an American black and white issue but in Europe he quickly realised it is a normal human condition because wherever he went he found people who hated other people based on race, language, colour or some other excuse.
 
"...a cache of lawyers met to discuss..." Say no more. Lawyers are stoking this for their own gain. I despise lawyers!
 

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