March until October of 1940: fighters' ranking

[FLYBOYJ]

I thought the British used something called "Irish linen".

One of the horrors of war is that materials that look nifty of women get reserved for something military.

"Irish linen" was used way before WW2

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[Greyman]

Anecdotally, if you dive into Hurricane pilot accounts during the Battle of France and Battle of Britain -- the general theme was that they were perfectly happy to take on 109s, and weren't discouraged with their own aircraft.

There are plenty of other things that were disparaged at length (tactics, experience, leadership, overall strategic situation, being outnumbered, etc.), but the Hurricane itself was generally well-liked.

Beyond 1940 is a different story. To the point where reading the accounts of some pilots who began their operational careers later over, say, Malta -- the Hurricane is spoken of in straight-up contempt.

 

[VA5124]

Really? You include the G-50 in a list of the four "best fighters hailing from this time" but you don't include the Spitfire?

Even the Hurricane was far better than the G-50 - faster, higher ceiling, longer range, more firepower.

I never meant to insult them. I don't pick the mk1 hurricanes and spits because of the g issue that caused fuel starving. They were both great planes mk2 hurricane is one of my favorites but from the time period in question i don't pick them till the fuel issue is fixed. I'm very sorry i upset you i hope you accept my apology.

 

[Vincenzo]

the "g issue" was common at all fighters in the timeline, excluding the germans

 

[pbehn]

I never meant to insult them. I don't pick the mk1 hurricanes and spits because of the g issue that caused fuel starving. They were both great planes mk2 hurricane is one of my favorites but from the time period in question i don't pick them till the fuel issue is fixed. I'm very sorry i upset you i hope you accept my apology.

The G-50 was used in the Battle of Britain, in 429 missions it failed to engage the enemy once.

 

[buffnut453]

I never meant to insult them. I don't pick the mk1 hurricanes and spits because of the g issue that caused fuel starving. They were both great planes mk2 hurricane is one of my favorites but from the time period in question i don't pick them till the fuel issue is fixed. I'm very sorry i upset you i hope you accept my apology.

No need to apologize and you didn't upset me. I just don't see the G.50 as being even remotely competitive. Having a fuel system that works in negative 'g' is certainly useful but if you're flying a fighter that is more than 30mph slower and has a ceiling that's several thousand feet lower, then you have bigger problems to worry about. The altitude and speed factors alone put the G.50 at a serious disadvantage compared to the Hurricane.

You're free to include it in your Top 4 fighters for 1940...but I suspect there won't be many agreeing with your opinion.

 

[Clayton Magnet]

the "g issue" was common at all fighters in the timeline, excluding the germans

That is an interesting question, can you shed any light on what style of carburetor the Fiat A.74 used?
Wikipedia says it was a Stromberg, then links to the Bendix-Stromberg pressure carb, but I would be surprised if Bendix was selling any pressure carbs over-seas at that point.

 

[Shortround6]

The G-50 was used in the Battle of Britain, in 429 missions it failed to engage the enemy once.

Well, not a good record for an "escort fighter".

 

[GrauGeist]

That is an interesting question, can you shed any light on what style of carburetor the Fiat A.74 used?
Wikipedia says it was a Stromberg, then links to the Bendix-Stromberg pressure carb, but I would be surprised if Bendix was selling any pressure carbs over-seas at that point.

Many nations, both Axis and Allied, manufactured engines and components under license right up to, and in some cases, during WWII.

 

[Shortround6]

Many nations, both Axis and Allied, manufactured engines and components under license right up to, and in some cases, during WWII.

I Believe the Italians used Hamilton Standard constant speed propellers?

 

[Vincenzo]

That is an interesting question, can you shed any light on what style of carburetor the Fiat A.74 used?
Wikipedia says it was a Stromberg, then links to the Bendix-Stromberg pressure carb, but I would be surprised if Bendix was selling any pressure carbs over-seas at that point.

unlucky i can't help you

 

[GrauGeist]

I Believe the Italians used Hamilton Standard constant speed propellers?

I do recall reading that some time back, and if I remember right, the G.50 even had an H-S prop.

 

[pbehn]

Well, not a good record for an "escort fighter".

Reading the wiki page, it had no influence on the battle in any way, positive or negative.

 

[Clayton Magnet]

Many nations, both Axis and Allied, manufactured engines and components under license right up to, and in some cases, during WWII.

Granted, but the pressure carburetor was a relatively new invention at that point, so I wonder if perhaps Fiat was using licensed (or unlicensed) float type Bendix carbs, of an earlier design.

 

[tomo pauk]

That is an interesting question, can you shed any light on what style of carburetor the Fiat A.74 used?
Wikipedia says it was a Stromberg, then links to the Bendix-Stromberg pressure carb, but I would be surprised if Bendix was selling any pressure carbs over-seas at that point.

BMW was using the licence-produced Stromberg NAY-9A carbs on their 132s (off-springs from the P&W Hornet).

 

[Clayton Magnet]

BMW was using the licence-produced Stromberg NAY-9A carbs on their 132s (off-springs from the P&W Hornet).

As far as I can tell, the NAY-9A is a float type carb, and thus would be subject to negative G fuel starvation

 

[Wild_Bill_Kelso]

I Believe the Italians used Hamilton Standard constant speed propellers?

That's another little advantage for the G.50 then

 

[tomo pauk]

As far as I can tell, the NAY-9A is a float type carb, and thus would be subject to negative G fuel starvation

Thank you.

 

[Stig1207]

The G-50 was used in the Battle of Britain, in 429 missions it failed to engage the enemy once.

429 sorties ? The Italian involvement in the BoB was not hundreds of missions, surely?

 

[GrauGeist]

429 sorties ? The Italian involvement in the BoB was not hundreds of missions, surely?

The Corpo Aero Italiano (based out of Belgium) was involved in the Battle.of Britain from 25 October 1940 to 3 January 1941.
Pretty sure they were able to muster 400 or more missions in that time...