Shortround6
Major General
according to the latest figures......................................................59
Me-110 Underrated
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according to the latest figures......................................................59
michael rauls
Tech Sergeant
- 1,679
- Jul 15, 2016
Ouch.
FLYBOYJ
"THE GREAT GAZOO"
It was still flying years before the Bf 110 with a similar role. The fact that it never saw combat is irrelevant.
FLYBOYJ
"THE GREAT GAZOO"
Again you seem to deflect facts when someone shows you're wrong!
FLYBOYJ
"THE GREAT GAZOO"
This thread is not about the B-17
Peter Gunn
Master Sergeant
Strange, I went back to the first page of this three (3) year old thread, and nowhere do I see any of us saying the Bf 110 was "bad"... "slow"... "useless" or any really disparaging remarks about it.
In fact, everyone here was remarking on what it did accomplish and how good it was considering how times and tactics had changed. What I read was a universal respect for a very fine looking/performing aircraft whose concept was flawed but still was adaptable to different missions as needed.
Why some numb nuts chooses to make an argument where there really wasn't any is beyond me.
My maternal grandfather was an alcoholic and when drunk... well... mean. One of the best pieces of advice my mother gave me was "Never argue with a drunkard, it's useless"
Now I'm not saying anyone here is hitting the sauce while typing but the effect is the same as if they were. Some people refuse to give up long cherished beliefs because they "Know" they are right and facts be damned.
I've noticed no response to my (as well as others) insertion of some pesky "Facts" into areas of this argument, to me that means only one thing.
In fact, everyone here was remarking on what it did accomplish and how good it was considering how times and tactics had changed. What I read was a universal respect for a very fine looking/performing aircraft whose concept was flawed but still was adaptable to different missions as needed.
Why some numb nuts chooses to make an argument where there really wasn't any is beyond me.
My maternal grandfather was an alcoholic and when drunk... well... mean. One of the best pieces of advice my mother gave me was "Never argue with a drunkard, it's useless"
Now I'm not saying anyone here is hitting the sauce while typing but the effect is the same as if they were. Some people refuse to give up long cherished beliefs because they "Know" they are right and facts be damned.
I've noticed no response to my (as well as others) insertion of some pesky "Facts" into areas of this argument, to me that means only one thing.
Admiral Beez
Major
Much of the online forum community on all subject matters seeks only an echo chamber, IMO. They're not on a forum to be open to different POVs, but only to espouse their own and to receive kudos from those that agree, and to attack and belittle those that don't. It's the same mind as the threadjacker, who intentionally takes an ongoing discussion off topic or provokes personal exchanges that should be PMs.
FLYBOYJ
"THE GREAT GAZOO"
Good point but lets not let the hard facts get in the way either!
swampyankee
Chief Master Sergeant
- 4,002
- Jun 25, 2013
What you said also proves absolutely nothing about the prototype aircraft. The only thing it says is that the Bf110 was not a completely novel idea, as others had tried the same concept before.
The idea the B110 being so novel, all other twin-engined heavy fighters were inspired by it has been shown false.
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I see 11 pages which I only read up to 11 now page 14 of someone wishing to write a new rendition of what they think history ought to be........
GrauGeist
Generalfeldmarschall zur Luftschiff Abteilung
Like I mentioned earlier, the Bf110 wasn't the first heavy fighter AND it was the result of a request by the RLM for a "kampfzerstorer", of which there were three submissions that the Bf110 was chosen from.
The other two were the Fw57 and Hs124.
I also keep seeing the Bf110 as being suggested as being unique because it saw combat - but the Potez 630 was used in combat and was the same age
The other two were the Fw57 and Hs124.
I also keep seeing the Bf110 as being suggested as being unique because it saw combat - but the Potez 630 was used in combat and was the same age
Glider
Captain
I admit that at first glance it really looked like a Ki46 to me, just a bit smaller
Someone's been at the kool aid again... Looks to me like y'all might be wasting your time arguing with this guy.
Airframes
Benevolens Magister
Yep, sick of all this b*llocks anyway.
Would be good as a Hollywood screenplay writer - never let the facts get in the way of a good story !
Would be good as a Hollywood screenplay writer - never let the facts get in the way of a good story !
fubar57
General
Had him pegged as a troll many posts ago
FLYBOYJ
"THE GREAT GAZOO"
wuzak
Captain
I'm not sure if 60 is the biggest single day loss of B-17s for the 8th AF, but in terms of loss rate that was quite high (>20%), as was the August Schweinfurt/Regensburg raid.
Similar numbers were lost on some raids in early 1944, the big difference was that the 8th AF sent 1,000+ B-17s instead of around 300.
GrauGeist
Generalfeldmarschall zur Luftschiff Abteilung
Wait...you're supposed to be the troll!
Peter Gunn
Master Sergeant
Takes one to...
