Shortround6
Major General
according to the latest figures......................................................59
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How many 110's were lost in the BoB again?
Ouch.Add to your 4% loss this one month battle
At the beginning of Operation Blau, on 28 June 1942, the Luftflotte 4 has 86 operational Zerstorers including fifteen Bf 110 which performed reconnaissance duties in three units – 3.(H)/31, 3.(H)/11 and 7.(H)/LG 2; the remaining 71 examples served on ZG1 and ZG2. Only one month later, ZG 1 and ZG 2 had lost 31 Bf 110s (all to Soviet fighters), plus five more of the recce units to the same cause. As a result, ZG 2 was disbanded, and all its surviving aircraft were transferred to ZG 1
It was still flying years before the Bf 110 with a similar role. The fact that it never saw combat is irrelevant.Not in service, not operational, zero kills..same for other prototypes
Again you seem to deflect facts when someone shows you're wrong!The Russians lost more aircraft than the Germans ever made
This thread is not about the B-17Mate there were single days where more b-17s were lost that all BF 110 in bob...
Much of the online forum community on all subject matters seeks only an echo chamber, IMO. They're not on a forum to be open to different POVs, but only to espouse their own and to receive kudos from those that agree, and to attack and belittle those that don't. It's the same mind as the threadjacker, who intentionally takes an ongoing discussion off topic or provokes personal exchanges that should be PMs.Some people refuse to give up long cherished beliefs because they "Know" they are right and facts be damned.
Much of the online forum community on all subject matters seeks only an echo chamber, IMO. They're not on a forum to be open to different POVs, but only to espouse their own and to receive kudos from those that agree, and to attack and belittle those that don't. It's the same mind as the threadjacker, who intentionally takes an ongoing discussion off topic or provokes personal exchanges that should be PMs.
How does what you say prove me wrong. We are talking about an aircraft with air kills and aces. We are talking about an aircraft that came into service and did operate and was the first of it's kind to do so and then other air forces who were initially skeptic, as you admit, decided to follow and fund their own designs.
I see 11 pages which I only read up to 11 now page 14 of someone wishing to write a new rendition of what they think history ought to be........Strange, I went back to the first page of this three (3) year old thread, and nowhere do I see any of us saying the Bf 110 was "bad"... "slow"... "useless" or any really disparaging remarks about it.
In fact, everyone here was remarking on what it did accomplish and how good it was considering how times and tactics had changed. What I read was a universal respect for a very fine looking/performing aircraft whose concept was flawed but still was adaptable to different missions as needed.
Why some numb nuts chooses to make an argument where there really wasn't any is beyond me.
My maternal grandfather was an alcoholic and when drunk... well... mean. One of the best pieces of advice my mother gave me was "Never argue with a drunkard, it's useless"
Now I'm not saying anyone here is hitting the sauce while typing but the effect is the same as if they were. Some people refuse to give up long cherished beliefs because they "Know" they are right and facts be damned.
I've noticed no response to my (as well as others) insertion of some pesky "Facts" into areas of this argument, to me that means only one thing.
I admit that at first glance it really looked like a Ki46 to me, just a bit smaller
You look at the tree, I look at the forest
Had him pegged as a troll many posts agoSomeone's been at the kool aid again... Looks to me like y'all might be wasting your time arguing with this guy.
Mate there were single days where more b-17s were lost that all BF 110 in bob...
Wait...you're supposed to be the troll!Had him pegged as a troll many posts ago
Had him pegged as a troll many posts ago
I remember something by Captain BrGreat sucess from 193& to 1940 then bust. Some kown which stated that the Me-110 got a bad rap and had it been used right it would have been impressive.
In what way?