Messerschmitt Iron Cross Pilots Officers

[zuluecho]

I havn't been able to id any of these pics.. some of them are officers which would have been documented but i'm not sure how to go about id'ing them.
Also the Messerschmitts have unknown (not known to me markings) i'm guessing they are Spanish war marking but can't be certain. help please!

 

[zuluecho]

some more unknowns.. please id

 

[zuluecho]

and some more i know some of them probably can not be id'd but i thought you guys might like to see 'em.

 

[Wurger]

I havn't been able to id any of these pics.. some of them are officers which would have been documented but i'm not sure how to go about id'ing them.
Also the Messerschmitts have unknown (not known to me markings) i'm guessing they are Spanish war marking but can't be certain. help please!

Hi mate,
Nice stuff there.
As memory serves, these officers aren't Spaniards,they are Bulgarian pilots and these markings on aircrafts are also Bulgarian used by them from 1941 to 1944, except the Bf-110C with the German ones.The planes at the pics are ( I can be wrong but some mates from the forum will correct me for sure.) :

1.Bf 109E4
2.Bf 109G6
3.Bf 109E7
4.Bf 110C in German markings
5.Bf 109E7
6.Avia B.534
7.BF 109G6
8.BF 109G6
9.PZL P-24B with early Bulgarian markings that were used from 1938 to 1941.
10.I have to check it
11.Nose of Bf 109G6.
12. Arado Ar-96A

 

[zuluecho]

Thanks Wurger!! here are some more

 

[Thorlifter]

Looks like a B17e, but I'll let Wurger take the rest. He's the man with this stuff.

 

[Wurger]

1.Yes, the first pic shows B-17E.
2.Bulgarian Avia B-135B
3.Looking familiar but I cannot recall myself what the type of an aircraft it is.
4.Messerschmitt Bf-108 Taifun
5. I haven never seen the pic before.Excelent find.The PZL P-24B squadron with Heinkel He-51A one.

 

[Trautloft]

yes,these are definately bulgarian markings

 

[Eco-81]

The second photo on the first post of the for Bulgarian officers are from left to right: Capt. Bochev, Capt. Toplodolski, Lieut. Stoyanov Krastev. Stoyanov was the leading ace of the Bulgarian Air Force in WWII.

 

[zuluecho]

wow.. i didn't think anyone would be able to work out the officers! thats great. here are some more.

 

[zuluecho]

i guess all these are from some sort of Bulgarian archive.. some more:

 

[Njaco]

Traut, I think the profile might be Hungarian.
see - WW II ACE STORIES

The profile you presented shows a white cross whereas the pics show an "X".

Could the He 51s be Spanish, similiar to the Condor Legion? They show a different kind of marking on the fuselage, more like a badge.

check - Escuadrilla Azul
"The Esquadrilla Azul (Blue Squadron) was a small Spanish expeditionary air force that fought on the eastern front (Army Group Center) from 1941 until 1944 with a total of 5 Spanish Squadrons flying BF-109 and later FW-190 which flew a total of 1,918 missions as part of Jagdgeschwader 51 better known as "Molders".The squadrons worked in succession beginning with the first arriving on June 1941 until the last official one on February of 1944. This is the only Spanish unit to have fought in the Battle of Kursk. Its combat record consisted of 277 air kills and 74 aircraft destroyed, with a loss of seven Spanish pilots, 3 of them missing in action. "

 

[Graeme]

1.Yes, the first pic shows B-17E.
2.Bulgarian Avia B-135B
3.Looking familiar but I cannot recall myself what the type of an aircraft it is.
4.Messerschmitt Bf-108 Taifun
5. I haven never seen the pic before.Excelent find.The PZL P-24B squadron with Heinkel He-51A one.

Number '3' is an Arado Ar 65.



Very nice photos.

 

[Heinz]

No doubt I'm wrong but the B-17 looks like an F model to me. i thought the E had a bird cage styled framing on the nose?

 

[zuluecho]

and some more..

 

[Graeme]

Traut, I think the profile might be Hungarian.
see - WW II ACE STORIES

The profile you presented shows a white cross whereas the pics show an "X".

Could the He 51s be Spanish, similiar to the Condor Legion? They show a different kind of marking on the fuselage, more like a badge., with a loss of seven Spanish pilots, 3 of them missing in action. "

'Traut's' Hungarian profile of the Me-109 is his 'siggy' . Hence the confusion.
Njaco, the markings are Bulgarian. It depends on when the photos were taken;

 

[Njaco]

At first I thought it was a siggy but then I saw "This image has been..." hence the confusion.

And thanks for clearing the marking issue.

 

[Wurger]

Planes in posted pics.
The first post : Bf 109G6,Avia B.135B,B-24 Liberator.
The second one :Avia B.534,B-17,Bf 109E4,Bf 109 possible F or G.
The third post : Bf 109G6 may be of III/JG27,Avia B.534,Avia B.534 in the background,Bf 109F or G like in the pic of the second post.

As far as the Bulgarian markings are concerned I can see Graeme was faster than me.I've wanted to post the same but...Well done Graeme!!! and THX for the Arado Ar 65.

In addition, the early markings were used from 1938 to 1941 and then the new ones from 1941 to 1945.

 

[Trautloft]

Yes,sorry 4 confusion Njaco,thx Graeme.
its indeed my sig,the Messer of hungarian ace Szentgyörgyi.(its a bit big i know,but since im hungarian i prefered it), in my previous post i just agreed your opinions. nice work,guys
I like the smaller axis airforce markings equipment,and biplanes ..mmh..
i ca immagine as the obsolete Avias and PZL.P24 tried to gain high altitudes to catch the bombers which been faster.

 

[Wurger]

I ca immagine as the obsolete Avias and PZL.P24 tried to gain high altitudes to catch the bombers which been faster.

You can be sure that at the begining of WW2 both PZL P-24 (especially F and G versions) and Avia B.534 could be up to the Bf 109C,D,E and all the German bombers,the Italian ones I don't mention at all ( please,read about the war in Greece,for instance).The main problem with the a/cs was the lack of fuel,ammunition and spare parts during struggles.