MiG-23

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  1. The Basket

    The Basket Well-Known Member

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    Interested to know if you think the ole Flogger was any good.

    Could it have done well in any WP NATO war of the eightys.?

    Was it cannon fodder? Too crude?

    One point was it did have a medium range missile while the NATO F-16A didn't. And it was proper fast too. Plus plenty of them. And it could carry half dozen AAMs. Plus gun.
     
  2. ccheese

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    We were told to consider it to be roughly equal to an early F4 but with poor reliability.
     
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    This may or may not help you any, but I've flown the -23 in flight sims, and it's manueverability was surprisingly poor for a V-G aircraft. Acceleration was so-so, but low level speed was pretty good, probably due to the high wing loading. Other than that, it was about on-par with an early model Phantom, maybe a B or a C.
     
  5. The Basket

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    My view is the Flogger was ten years too late. It was designed to fight Phantoms but met Eagles instead.

    Proof that the Soviets were behind.
     
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    It was obviously influenced by the F-111 fighter/bomber. We recognized the limitations of the F-111 and turned it into a tactical strike aircraft while the MiG 23 soldiered on as an ungainly fighter.
     
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    Sims.... hehe :D
     
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    :rolleyes:
     
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    :lol: And to think I actually was thinking full motion simulator. I really need to dump my bridge. :sad3:
     
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    The Mig 23 was I believe not really useful as a fighter considering what it was up against the Mig 27 was probably the first respectable Soviet strike plane. Not saying it was a good as the NATO aircraft, but it was a significant leap for the Soviet forces.
     
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    Do you think MiG should have stuck with the delta wing version instead of the variable-geometry? (and without the 'lift jets').

    [​IMG]
     
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    ...and the rough field landing gear, and the crappy engine, and the canopy that affored no visibility, and the lack of internal fuel, and the $hitty avionics, and the ....

    Yeah they shoulda. Good decision.
     
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    The -23 was a near-equal to the Phantom? That's way better than I would have thought. That's pretty impressive, methinks.
     
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    From wikipedia:

    Mikoyan-Gurevich MiG-23 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
     
  15. DerAdlerIstGelandet

    DerAdlerIstGelandet Der Crew Chief
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    I have some really good pics of Iraqi 23's that I need to find. We walked all over them and around them and from a maintaners point of view, I would not have enjoyed having to work on one.
     
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    ...and its my understanding that even when worked on, they had terrible sortie rates. The best aircraft that can't sortie is worthless.
     
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    from what I read, the Mig-23, speciall the latter models (ML?) were qite good; pewrhaps between the F-4 (late models) and an F-16.
     
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