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There seems to be some misconception that I was claiming the Defiant to have been in command of the night skies. Merely that, during it's service in a period which includes 1940 and 1941, it performed better than the available alternatives until the radar equipped Blenheims came into full service and were still useful until both were overtaken by the Beaufighter. BTW and in daylight use, the team of Flight Lieutenant Cooke and Corporal Lippet shot down 5 Ju87s in one day. That, for a short while, it was the best at night tells one more about the weakness of nightfighters at the time before airborne radar and in the earliest days with the first primitive sets when the Defiant got them and moved from ground controlled radar backed up by four peering eyes to a short range radar on board.1940-41 covers a great deal of time and my own suspicion is that the Defiant's combat history has been 'tweaked' to keep the idiots who ordered/kept it in production from even further criticism/ridicule.
It appears that the Defiant didn't get radar (at least in squadron service) until Sept 1941? well after the Night blitz was over. Some accounts claim one radar assisted interception by the Defiant?
A lot of Defiant accounts say things like "best at time" without ever saying what the kill rate was or total kills or any way of actually evaluating the results achieved.
The British night fighter force got very dismal results during 1940 and very early 1941. When they are only shooting down 0-4 German planes per month by ALL night fighters combined declaring one type the best due to ability to chase Ju-88s (which were not the majority of night bombers) seems a bit of artistic shading.
The British night fighter successes increased dramatically in the late winter/early spring.
A little perspective.
In the first 2 month of the night blitz the RAF shot down 8 German aircraft out of 12,000 sorties.
The next 3 months were even worse. Just about all intercepts were visual.
It was only in March where the RAF shot down 22 planes in one month, mostly Beaufighters (with radar) due to much practice by both aircrew and ground controllers, and better weather and shorter nights. April saw 48 Germans shot down and the first 2 weeks of May saw 96 shot down. The Defiants were lucky if they scored 1/4 of the kills. By this time the Blenheim's had been pulled from most units. Germans flew off to attack Russia and German activity over Britain decreased substantially.
Defiant was the best night fighter in the fall of 1941 when they got radar at squadron level? I don't think so.
Without radar in 1940 or early 1941 was it the best night fighter? I think again the answer is no. even with two sets of eyes the Defiant was not as good as Beaufighter even with crappy radar. In Defiant accounts much is made of the "superiority" of the Defiant over the Blenheim, Blenheims were being replaced by Beaufighters in the fall of 1940, pretty much as fast as the Beaufighters could be built. However there were not very many Defiants in service in late summer or fall of 1940.
We get stuff like this "By August 1940 it was withdrawn from daylight combat operations but as a A.I. radar equipped night fighter it done extremely well shooting down more raiders per interception than any other night fighter of 1940-1941. *NARROW MARGIN Wood & Dempster p432"
Now seeing as how the Defiant didn't even get radar until Aug/sept of 1941 how did it have a higher success rate that another night fighter of those two years?
Clever wording? more raiders per interception than any other night fighter? Define interception please.
Some accounts claim that the Beaufighters scored over 1/2 the kills of May 1940.
Now if two Defiants actually spot (visually) two German bombers and and count that as interception and shoot down both that is 100%. If we are counting being vectored onto a bogie and failing to make contact is that an "intersection"? If Beaufighters (from several squadrons) are vectored onto over 100 boogies over two weeks time converted 1/2 of them to visuals and manage to shoot down 1/2 of the visuals (25%) of the Vectors) how does that count as to kills per intercept?
The problem is finding all of these supposed Defiant Kills.
The Next problem is sorting out which planes were in Service when. That is actually serving in night fighter squadrons.
My problem with the Defiant is that the time lines and claims to how effective it was don't seem to line up.That, for a short while, it was the best at night tells one more about the weakness of nightfighters at the time before airborne radar and in the earliest days with the first primitive sets when the Defiant got them and moved from ground controlled radar backed up by four peering eyes to a short range radar on board.
Italians didn't design it though. It's a knock off of the P35 haha.Re. 2000 looks beautiful. Italians know how to make a plane look real nice
Haha I just think Italian camo looks really good on it too lolItalians didn't design it though. It's a knock off of the P35 haha. View attachment 777471
The Swedes used them pretty well as air space defense fighters during the war. Theres some neat photos of Swedish J20s escorting American Heavy Bombers.
Italians didn't design it though. It's a knock off of the P35 haha. View attachment 777471
I cant imagine they aren't related since practically every source labels the RE2000 as being inspired or derived from the P35Is there any established proof that the Re2000 was a copy of the P-35 (other than it being visually similar)? The Re2000 was 40mph faster and had a ceiling 5000ft higher than the P-35.
I cant imagine they aren't related since practically every source labels the RE2000 as being inspired or derived from the P35
I think they just took inspiration, at least that's what I am reading but who knows who is cross sourcing whoI cant imagine they aren't related since practically every source labels the RE2000 as being inspired or derived from the P35
I think they just took inspiration, at least that's what I am reading but who knows who is cross sourcing who
Well, they didn't use them very long, they were shipped off to Sweden.But why take inspiration from a 4 year-old design? That doesn't make a lot of sense to me. Aircraft performance advanced rapidly from 1935 onwards so I struggle to see the benefits of copying something that, by 1939, was pretty much obsolete.