Need help to ID a WW2 German Fighter based on a part plate..Bf-109 or FW-190 ?

[Daniel BASTIEN]

Hello,
The attached picture shows a plate attached to what seems to be a machine gun support found on a crash site of a German fighter aircraft that was shot down on May 27, 1944 in the Vosges mountains, North Eastern France. None of the local people knows which type of aircraft it was.
The main references of this part seems to be St. L131/5B/R
Does anyone know if this German fighter aircraft was a Bf-109 or a FW-190?
Thank you for your help.
Best Daniel

 

[Snautzer01]

I get bsck in that when i am home.

 

[Crimea_River]

I'll be interested to see what you come up with as the Fl number gives me a 1915 instrument!

 

[Daniel BASTIEN]

Hello, This is strange, Crimea_River, as the older people of the village told us that this crash site is the one of a German fighter shot down on May 27, 1944. On that specific day, there were Bf-109 and Fw-190 engaged against B-17s protected by P-51s. The locals do not know which type of German fighter crashed in their village. The last digit of the Fl number can be red "8" or "9 ". Which one did you use to state that this instrument is a 1915 one ? Fl. 204948 or Fl. 204949 ? Best Daniel

 

[Crimea_River]

Well the source I used ( www.deutscheluftwaffe.com ) doesn't have any 6 figure Fl numbers so I tried it assuming the last figure was a B. That's definitely a dead end. Still would like to see what Snautzer01 comes up with.

 

[Snautzer01]

Big i dont know for sure but perhaps it is a weapon related plate. Cant find a 6 number fl item with those numbers.

 

[Crimea_River]

I have gone through the weapons section of the FW190A parts catalogue and it does not show up there. the closest Fl number I found was this:

You say this plate was attached to a machine gun support. Do you have a picture of the support that it was attached to?

 

[Kingscoy]

A thought..the number 131 on the top part of the plate...perhaps it refers to the MG131 machinegun

And if so...since both the Fw190 and Me109 were equipped with the MG131 it will not be possible to determin the type only with this plate. Long shot....if you are able to clean up the part were it says Hersteller...it could be that the factory name pops up where this part was made. That could be a hint. Although it looks like nothing is stamped in there...

 

[Daniel BASTIEN]

Hello
Thank you for your inputs. II ll try to get the requested pictures
Best Daniel

 

[woodhaven]

Lafette St.l 131/5B/R - rechts ( Fw 190 A-7, A-8/9 )

 

[Crimea_River]

Excellent! However, my limited German isn't identifying what the part is for but I'm gleaning that it's some kind of modification. Where did you find this info?

 

[Daniel BASTIEN]

Hello
Great input woodhaven
Thank you very much
Can you confirm that this part was mounted on FW-190 only ?
Best Daniel

 

[woodhaven]

Bf 109 Lafette St.L 131/5C Fl 204945 / 204946

 

[woodhaven]

Fw 190

 

[Crimea_River]

Good stuff.

 

[vikingBerserker]

So what is it?

 

[Crimea_River]

As far as I can tell judging by the picture in post #10, it's the part circled below.

 

[woodhaven]

lafette - gun carriage

 

[Daniel BASTIEN]

Thanks a lot, woodhaven, for all these precisions

Best Daniel

 

[Daniel BASTIEN]

Hello Woodhaven,
I have a question about WW2 Luftwaffe Abreviations used with "Anforderz" when we talk about parts or equipment.
From what I understand, "Fl." Stands for "Fliegermaterial" (parts or equipment used for anything that flies).
Would you happen to know what "Ln." and "Sk." mean when used after "Anforderz." ? Which category of equipment are they supposed to include?
Best regards
Daniel BASTIEN