North American A-27

[macharvard]

What books would that be then?

Harvard! The North American Trainers in Canada...with David C Fletcher....long out of print but shows up on ebay
Triple Crown BT-9 - ASJA/SAAB Sk 14....with Mikael Ostberg...(still available)
The North American NA-16 Combat Variants....with Amaru Tincopa....should be available late spring

 

[Snautzer01]

Thanks. I have a sweat spot for captured North American trainers.

 

[MiTasol]

Thanks Doug.

I found the first one readily available through Bookfinder but much cheaper on Amazon - top priced bookfinder used copy was $141. Could find no trace of Triple crown on either site and bought the new one with Amazon promising delivery by 29th - which means I could have them next week (Amazon always show very slow delivery from US to Australia because it can, and often does, take international parcels up to 12 days to travel the 1,200km from Sydney to here)

 

[macharvard]

Thanks Doug.

I found the first one readily available through Bookfinder but much cheaper on Amazon - top priced bookfinder used copy was $141. Could find no trace of Triple crown on either site and bought the new one with Amazon promising delivery by 29th - which means I could have them next week (Amazon always show very slow delivery from US to Australia because it can, and often does, take international parcels up to 12 days to travel the 1,200km from Sydney to here)
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I can ship a copy of Triple Crown from Canada, but the postal cost might be nasty. I must admit, I haven't looked lately. I will find out tomorrow.

 

[MiTasol]

Yeah - the Canadian postal system is screwed - I was quoted $75 to send a magazine.

I sometimes dealt with a BC bookshop owner who does trips down to Washington just so he can ship goods at a reasonable price.
I will see if he is still in business post covid.

 

[macharvard]

Yeah - the Canadian postal system is screwed - I was quoted $75 to send a magazine.

I sometimes dealt with a BC bookshop owner who does trips down to Washington just so he can ship goods at a reasonable price.
I will see if he is still in business post covid.

I just checked witth the local Canada Post and, depending on whether you want the book to arrive this year or next, it will cost from CAD $22 to $107. The book would cost you AUD $25. Thank you, Canada Post, for putting the publishing industry out of business.

 

[Geoffrey Sinclair]

NA-44, 69 and 72, 1 to the RCAF in 1940, 30 to Brazil in 1940, 10 ex Thai order to USAAF in 1940.

The P-40E was the USAAF model, acceptances June 1941 to January 1942, plus 1 in April 1942, 820 built. The P-40E-1 was the model meant for Britain, acceptances began in December 1941, too late for export to the Philippines. While Britain uses the imperial measurements system, there were 131 P-40E exported to the USSR which did use the metric system, acceptances started in October 1941, but exports began in December 1941, again too late to make the Philippines.

According to the USAAF Official History, P-26 present in 1939, 48 P-35 from the Swedish order were sent to the Philippines in November 1940, in April 1941 31 P-40B were sent, 28 P-40B and 50 P-40E were to be shipped in September 1941, as of 8 December 1941 local time 2 P-40E (3rd and 17th) and 1 P-40B (20th) squadrons, each with 18 aircraft. On 7 December the 21st received 18 "hastily assembled" P-40E.

 

[Niceoldguy58]

Attached is a document by the AAF from my files written June 3, 1941 listing the A-27's stationed at the time in the PI.

Another interesting note on these aircraft is that the camouflage colors used were from stocks of Del Monte paints already in the PI, NOT any AAF colors.

Enjoy!

Respectfully submitted,

AlanG

 

[MiTasol]

Good one Alan

Del Monte was one of the airfields in the Philippines and was on one of the Del Monte pineapple farms so "stocks of Del Monte paints already in the PI" could mean either US Army paints in stock at that airfield or paints belonging to the pineapple farm (or even the latter eyeball mixed to close to USAAF colors). Any idea which possibility is most likely to be correct?

If my memory of Doomed at the Start is correct Del Monte was a bomber base so they would likely have had a stock of USAAF paints on hand though maybe those were only kept at Clark Field.

 

[Niceoldguy58]

MiTasol, according my fellow research friends the paints were actual Del Monte paints, not AAF. Of course, given the tensions of the time it is hard to find definitive information - yet. The dark green was identified as "Del Monte Green", but it is also possible the paints were mixes. However, I'm going to trust my sources.

Alan

 

[MiTasol]

Thanks

 

[TISO]

What books would that be then?

I am ressurecting this old thread to post 2 pic's of A-27 destroyed and captured in Philippines.
Plane has a 4MO (2nd Observation Sqadron) on the left wing visible from photo take directly aft

 

[TISO]

I am ressurecting this old thread to post 2 pic's of A-27 destroyed and captured in Philippines.
Plane has a 4MO (2nd Observation Sqadron) on the left wing visible from photo take directly aft

A spanner in the cogs of conviniant green and brown scheme for A-27s is this supposedly horizontal stabilizer of A-27 painted in 2 greens. The lighter looks like Zinc-Chromate interior green. I have no idea if it is original part with original paintwork. From December 2025 issue of EAA Sport Aviation magazine:
EAA's Attic — A-27 Horizontal Stabilizer

 

[TISO]

A spanner in the cogs is this supposedly horizontal stabilizer of A-27 painted in 2 greens. I have no idea if it is original with original paintwork. From December 2025 issue of EAA Sport Aviation magazine:
EAA's Attic — A-27 Horizontal Stabilizer

So from this photo of B-17D 61/11B and newly found supposed A-27 horizontal stabiliser, the A-27 might acctually really be dark green and olive green of some kind

 

[TISO]

So from this photo of B-17D 61/11B the A-27 might acctually really be dark green and olive green of some kind

A colour photo of P-35s, B-18s and A-27 where left wing and top of the tail of A-27 are visible. Taken at Del Carmen supposedly in October 1941 found on reddit

 

[TISO]

BTW I compiled a short article for my modelling file on the type that can be found here. As said it is work in progress and any corrections, additional info is welcome:

North American A-27

Written/compiled for my future model building (Academy kit modified) data file and first published on this forum, so if you use it please give credit to the forum and sources. It is work in progress so any corrections, additional information and sources are welcome and will be used to expand it. ...

www.britmodeller.com

 

[TISO]

I am ressurecting this old thread to post 2 pic's of A-27 destroyed and captured in Philippines.
Plane has a 4MO (2nd Observation Sqadron) on the left wing visible from photo take directly aft

A little closer view of the captured example

 

[TISO]

So from this photo of B-17D 61/11B and newly found supposed A-27 horizontal stabiliser, the A-27 might acctually really be dark green and olive green of some kind

On this one only the top of vertical stabiliser is visible

 

[TISO]

One of those i was looking for something else and another colour photo of A-27 popes out

The Boeing P-26A “Peashooter” of the PAAC Part 1: A Color Analysis

About 15 years ago I received a couple of emails from fellow scale modelers from all over asking me what are the “true and definitive colors” of the Boeing P-26s that saw service with …

shellwings.wordpress.com

 

[Count de Bastrop]

One of those i was looking for something else and another colour photo of A-27 popes out

The Boeing P-26A “Peashooter” of the PAAC Part 1: A Color Analysis

About 15 years ago I received a couple of emails from fellow scale modelers from all over asking me what are the “true and definitive colors” of the Boeing P-26s that saw service with …

shellwings.wordpress.com

Though not a "great" picture of the A-27, it is a LOVELY shot of the Philippine Army Air Corps' Beech 18D. It is interesting that it apparently did not receive a military designation. The PAAC used the US Army's designators for the aircraft they received from the USAAC, but when they purchased their own aircraft that did not have a specific US Army equivalent, they gave them their own "US Army-like" designation. For example, the Stearmans purchased by the PAAC were designated PT-1(Model 73L), BT-1 (Model 76D-1) or O-1 (Model 76D-3), and the Stinson Reliant was designated C-1. But when they bought aircraft identical to the US Army's Stearman trainers, they were designated PT-17A. The Beech 18 was purchased before the US Army ordered the C-45, so I expected it to be designated C-2 (or similar), but I cannot find any indication that it was ever called anything but an 18D. Anybody know more?