FLYBOYJ
"THE GREAT GAZOO"
Bla, bla, bla - this has NOTHING to do with this thread. You need to read this forum's rules, stop the political BS
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there is no tongue in cheek nor smart ass in my comments. at the beginning of the cold war and with the soviets publicly declaring that they wished to have influence in south america and america publicly stating that they would not let that happen. to that end America encouraged or forced some south american countries to build up or create an air force. in the case of argentina with the help of some Nazis as well. the fact is that and in context of this thread, the fact that a south american country had surplus american aircraft is not a merit of that particular airframe but is a result of the politics of the day.
even in more recent times. the sale and licence build F18? deal with indonesia was canceled by Clinton over E Timor and then australia was given a couple of squadrons of F111 like really cheap ( read free) who then flicked there Skyhawks to New Zealand Like really cheap. Or when australia pulled out of the F35 development because of cost overruns. the US cut off supplies/parts for the f111 until they relented. they also had to purchase the indonesian f18s
Or new Zealand having to burn there Corsairs in japan, which was Ok since they were LL. but then having america spit the dummy over still flying P51s which were purchased, all because New Zealand purchased Vampires and Not F16s. the the interference in New Zealand's attempts to sell the skyhawks and then there refusal to buy F18s at a pumped up price.
My point is as with all arms sales there is a political component, and this component is usually the larger wich in an exaggerated way, you get the american attaboy or big stick, vers soviet oh god we let them in the door. or the french bleeding you of parts or the british who are just to expensive anyway. aircraft sales are Not based on the attributes or even suitability of that airframe to the requirements of that country. think Mig25 in Iraq or Lightings in Saudi Arabia
Mosquitos would post an enviable record during 1944 and 1945 with truly remarkable results but without a time machine there was no way for this record to affect procurement planning (aircraft orders) in 1942 and most of 1943.
Yup!!!!!Still trying to figure out how New Zealand was punished for buying Vampires instead of F-16s.
The Vampire was retired from RNZAF service long over a decade before the F-16 was even thought of...
ops sorry F86 typoStill trying to figure out how New Zealand was punished for buying Vampires instead of F-16s.
The Vampire was retired from RNZAF service long over a decade before the F-16 was even thought of...
and probably not my last eatherNot your first either.
Hell of a typo, especially when the RNZAF never had the F-86 in it's inventory.ops sorry F86 typo
Hell of a typo, especially when the RNZAF never had the F-86 in it's inventory.
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there is no tongue in cheek nor smart ass in my comments. at the beginning of the cold war and with the soviets publicly declaring that they wished to have influence in south america and america publicly stating that they would not let that happen. to that end America encouraged or forced some south american countries to build up or create an air force. in the case of argentina with the help of some Nazis as well...................think Mig25 in Iraq or Lightings in Saudi Arabia
enlightening, so based on your post and in context of this thread the mossie actually had a short war of just 2 years plus asia. at a time when when the Luftwaffe was not at its best? where the p38 was taking on a stronger/ capable Luftwaffe 2 years earlier?? would that be correct??
There may be something to what you say but the "sale" of surplus aircraft to South America may not have been as nefarious as you think, despite some of the shenanigans done by later arms deals.
The US either gave the planes away or charged a nominal fee, it is hard to "sell" aircraft to South American nations at very high prices when US citizens could by surplus aircraft for less than the price of the gas in the tanks.
sorry i had no intention of putting words in your mouth. i was just relating the dates you provided or applying the dates sorry if i offended you that was not my intent. i thought you post was informativeDo NOT put words in my mouth or claim I said things I did not. If that is what you got from my post it is no wonder you are at odds with a number of people.
My post had to do with the Mosquito as a bomber and bomber only. It also was in relation to claims by some people that somebody should have changed some air force or other to use much larger numbers of Mosquitos than used historically because it was so much better than (or got better results ) than other bombers.
I said nothing about it's use as a fighter bomber or maritime strike aircraft and I said nothing about it's use as a night fighter, either defending British air space or intruding into German air (or other axis power) air space.
I also made no mention of the P-38 what so ever.
Lastly to call the p38 a failure in the ETO as I have read in a few posts here not to mention articles on the internet over the years is a bit much. They certainly had their issues, some due to design limitations and some to factors that had nothing to do with the plane itself but the later(J25/L) versions racked up about a 4 to 1 kill ratio at least if the 474th is any representation.
well the f35 development has been a bit longer than expected, australia was one of the original signatories to the f35 program. a change of government some bad press over costs etc etc and the australian government pulled out. then ummed arrred out in out in as pollies do. as i understand it australia got back in with another change of government and a deal where the f111 were scraped locally only a few years ago, the f18 went to canada and the Super Hornets rolled in as a stop gap until the f35 became available. i think the f35s are rolling in now and the Super Hornets are to roll out next year? i think?. so the short answer is yes this did happen before the f111 was retired. i must say the Super Hornets make a rackett more like a mirage sort of make the early F18 sound like a nissan leaf in comparison. but don't hold me to all that im just recalling local press"Or when australia pulled out of the F35 development because of cost overruns. the US cut off supplies/parts for the f111 until they relented."
OMG, Did this happen before or after the F-111 was retired?
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You are totally delusional. F-35s had over runs, most of them involved the US program, each partner had its own schedule/ stake/ issues within the program and the dynamics are too complicated to explain to you, especially after reading some of your comments. Australia was totally able to sustain their F-111 fleet with no help from the US and there is NO evidence that the US withheld any technical assistance because of any polices Australia imposed or suggested with regards to the F-35 program.well the f35 development has been a bit longer than expected, australia was one of the original signatories to the f35 program. a change of government some bad press over costs etc etc and the australian government pulled out. then ummed arrred out in out in as pollies do. as i understand it australia got back in with another change of government and a deal where the f111 were scraped locally only a few years ago, the f18 went to canada and the Super Hornets rolled in as a stop gap until the f35 became available. i think the f35s are rolling in now and the Super Hornets are to roll out next year? i think?. so the short answer is yes this did happen before the f111 was retired. i must say the Super Hornets make a rackett more like a mirage sort of make the early F18 sound like a nissan leaf in comparison. but don't hold me to all that im just recalling local press
Or new Zealand having to burn there Corsairs in japan, which was Ok since they were LL. but then having america spit the dummy over still flying P51s which were purchased, all because New Zealand purchased Vampires and Not F16s. the the interference in New Zealand's attempts to sell the skyhawks and then there refusal to buy F18s at a pumped up price.
ops sorry F86 typo
Hate to say it, but you're demonstrating much more than typographical errors.easy typo just swap an 8 for a 1, as i demonstrated
Australia was totally able to sustain their F-111 fleet with no help from the US .