Thats what happens when you have a land front, it was the same in the West after D Day, neither the Typhoon or Tempest were optimised for high altitude.
P-39 n-0 vs yak 9
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Shortround6
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Part of the trouble with flight sims is they can't model every variation of aircraft.
You say the have the P-39N,
Now which Yak-9?
Yak-9
Yak-9T
Yak-9D
Yak-9 with M-106 engine
Yak-9P
Yak-9TK
and that is just the Yaks that showed up in 1943.
Six more Yak-9s showed up in 1944 and some in 1945.
Performance in sims is often approximate and sometimes "tweaked" to make the "Game" more playable, or to appeal to a larger audience.
Not that they are going to tell the customers that on the box
As has been noted, the guns are often way simplified to make game design easier.
You say the have the P-39N,
Now which Yak-9?
Yak-9
Yak-9T
Yak-9D
Yak-9 with M-106 engine
Yak-9P
Yak-9TK
and that is just the Yaks that showed up in 1943.
Six more Yak-9s showed up in 1944 and some in 1945.
Performance in sims is often approximate and sometimes "tweaked" to make the "Game" more playable, or to appeal to a larger audience.
Not that they are going to tell the customers that on the box
As has been noted, the guns are often way simplified to make game design easier.
After 5-6 years of not importing of the required spare parts, the appearance of P-39s in Korean war under the red star would've been a huge surprise.
Thumpalumpacus
Major
A fair point which I hadn't considered.
FLYBOYJ
"THE GREAT GAZOO"
I'd say yes and no - IIRC the last P-39 was delivered to the Soviet Union in July, 1945. It would be a matter of how many units were in airworthy at the end of hostilities, spare parts available and aircraft that could have been used for cannibalization. Additionally I wouldn't put it past the Soviets to reverse engineer many parts they were no longer able to get from Bell.
Same for the P-63s they received.
They were a bit busy reverse engineering B-29s and RR jets. Of all the things they were given or acquired WTF would they build their own P-39?
FLYBOYJ
"THE GREAT GAZOO"
They don't have to build a complete airframe, just parts needed to keep the fleet somewhat in tact. But I'm sure they had plenty of airframes available
I remember reading about a flight of Spitfires encountering a flight of Yak-9s over Berlin and they had a sort of mock combat climbing turn competition. The Spitfire pilot was impressed with the Yak.
Thumpalumpacus
Major
I would imagine that as many P-39s as they took they would have had a number of spare parts to cannibalize from nonflying airframes. I still think the spare-parts issue was a fair reply to my admittedly simple point.
What Yak-9 version? What P-39 version? Yak-9M and Yak-9DD were worst, the later Yak-9Us maybe the best version of Yak-9 serving in WW2, Yak-9P was the Korean War version IIRC, in essence it was a late Yak-9U with metal wings.
Ps. and the quality of mixed construction Yaks varied more than that of P-39s or other western fighter planes, many of them were built in very difficult conditions.
Ps. and the quality of mixed construction Yaks varied more than that of P-39s or other western fighter planes, many of them were built in very difficult conditions.
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IIRC in 1944 there was a VVS-KA squadron equipped with Yak-9DDs at Bari to give support to Yugoslav partisans/to escort Soviet transport planes which flew supplies to Yugoslav partisans. At same time there were also Spitfires based there and there were some mock combats or Spit pilots test flied Yaks and Soviet pilots Spits. I read the story decades ago and details have slipped out from my brain.
Ps. When looking another fact I came across the fact that yes, there were 12 Yak-9s stationed at Bari for the duties mentioned but they were Ya-9DDs, a longer range version of the long range Yak-9D.
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What I read was definitely the dog days of the war over Berlin because included in the narrative was the Russians strafing what was basically a dead city of ruins, the Yaks tried to get on the tail of the Spitfires (I cant remember if it was IX or XIV versions) and then the "fun" started.
GregP
Major
Yak-9 was one of the better fighters of WWII. It was fast and maneuverable at low-to-medium altitudes, was available in numbers, and was reliable.
It had no CG problem as the P-39 did when the ammunition was empty, and was conventional gear, which was WAY better suited to Soviet airfields, and was more maneuverable in general.
It had almost twice the range of a P-39 on internal fuel. What's not to like about the Yak-9?
It had no CG problem as the P-39 did when the ammunition was empty, and was conventional gear, which was WAY better suited to Soviet airfields, and was more maneuverable in general.
It had almost twice the range of a P-39 on internal fuel. What's not to like about the Yak-9?
FLYBOYJ
"THE GREAT GAZOO"
A little P-39 action. They kept the guns in the wings and probably the gear box armor too!
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pops-paolo
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just the normal yak 9 and the p-39 n-0
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pops-paolo
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i said yak 9 for a reasonPart of the trouble with flight sims is they can't model every variation of aircraft.
You say the have the P-39N,
Now which Yak-9?
Yak-9
Yak-9T
Yak-9D
Yak-9 with M-106 engine
Yak-9P
Yak-9TK
and that is just the Yaks that showed up in 1943.
Six more Yak-9s showed up in 1944 and some in 1945.
Performance in sims is often approximate and sometimes "tweaked" to make the "Game" more playable, or to appeal to a larger audience.
Not that they are going to tell the customers that on the box
As has been noted, the guns are often way simplified to make game design easier.
FLYBOYJ
"THE GREAT GAZOO"
What do you consider a "normal" Yak-9?
Yak-9
Yak-9T
Yak-9D
Yak-9 with M-106 engine
Yak-9P
Yak-9TK
I say a Yak-9U
You want the P-39 to be the best then? Comparing the best P-39 to the worst Yak-9, that isnt how the Russians did things.
Yes, I have read on contacts between Spits and Soviet fighters over Berlin near the end of the war, at least Mk XIVs operated over the Big City.
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At one time in 1943 considerable proportion of VVS KA Yaks were grounded because of delamination of wing skins in flight, pilots did not like that and definitely Stalin did not like the situation and let Yakovlev know his displeasure. And late 1944 Yak-9Ms had max speed of 518 km/h at SL and 573 km/h at 3,750 m, climb to 5,000 m 6.1 min, armament 1x20mm + 1x12,7 mm. Yak-9M was produced from May 1944 to June 1945.
