Picture of the day. (56 Viewers)

[Wurger]

Is that a red F3F?

Do you mean the one seen prtially on the right?

 

[special ed]

Yes.

 

[Wurger]

Yes.

It looks like. The shape of the tail and wings indicates that. A good catch.

 

[cammerjeff]

It is probably Orange and is the G-22 Goshawk II, a Hybrid using F2F & F3F parts powered by a R-1820. Built for Al Williams, now in the National Air & Space Muesem

Grumman G-22 Gulfhawk II | National Air and Space Museum

airandspace.si.edu

 

[Viking1066]

Strike force ranged on HMS Implacable the net

 

[Viking1066]

TBD's on RANGER during the closing days of the airplane's operational life 18 June 1942 Guantanamo Bay, Cuba the net

 

[Viking1066]

This SB2U-1 (0773) was assigned to Commander of the air group aboard USRANGER and carries (CAG) band on the fuselage the net

 

[CATCH 22]

An Ar 196 on board the German cruiser Admiral Hipper the net
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196A-2 I guess.

 

[syscom3]

TBD-1 Devastator torpedo bomber of Torpedo Squadron 6 in flight over U.S. Navy carrier USS Enterprise in landing
pattern, as indicated by the down arrestor hook and wheel, 29 July 1941.

 

[syscom3]

Aerial view of Marine Corps Air Station Ewa, Oahu, Hawaii, July 29, 1941. The lines painted on the runway were to
approximate a carrier's flight deck.

 

[syscom3]

Stirling N3663/MG-H of No 7 Squadron, on display at Newmarket Heath, Suffolk, during a visit by
King Peter of Yugoslavia, 29 July 1941. A typical bomb load is on view beneath the aircraft for the
King's inspection.

 

[Count de Bastrop]

Is that a red F3F?

I believe it could be more likely the Grumman GG-1 demonstrator which was painted red, not orange like the Gulfhawks.

 

[cammerjeff]

Is that a red F3F?

I believe it could be more likely the Grumman GG-1 demonstrator which was painted red, not orange like the Gulfhawks. View attachment 889141

I thought about that type, but the A/C in the picture does not seem to have the extra interplane struts of the GG-1.

 

[Zippythehog]

Yep ... actually the Grumman G-36A type ordered by the French Navy in 1939 initially. After the fall of France in 1940, these aircraft were taken over by Great Britain where they served in the FAA under the name Martlet Mk.I.

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the pic source: the net.

So, why NXG2? Experimental Grumman 2? Why is it experimental?

 

[Zippythehog]

Strike force ranged on HMS Implacable the net
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I know it's Implacable but it is Glorious.

 

[cammerjeff]

So, why NXG2? Experimental Grumman 2? Why is it experimental?

Probably because being a Military aircraft it did not meet the current CAA or CAB regulations?

 

[Wurger]

I believe it could be more likely the Grumman GG-1 demonstrator which was painted red, not orange like the Gulfhawks. View attachment 889141

IMHO ... nope. The GG-1 NX12V demonstartor had a different shape of the rudder, especially the trailing edge. It was stright while F2F/F3F had it more rounded. What is more the GG-1 had the bottom edge of the rudder fitted to the curvature of the fuselage ending. The F2F/F3F had it stright. All the features can be noticed in the pic of the red painted kite. Additionally there is a kind of the ventral fin at the fusealge end just behind of the tail wheel. The GG-1 demonstrator didn't have a such one there but instead of this there was a tail wheel. The next feature that doesn't indicate the GG-1 can be the lack of looking like the top aileron strut that may be noticed in the image you posted while in the color one can't be seen.

Edit IMHO I have found that kite .... it looks like it is a Grumman G-32A. A pity the number is not readable but it starts with NC I would say.

the Grumman in question ...

Grumman GG-1 NX12V demonstrator ...

Edit 2 ... and finally I found the pic of a better quality and it is ... Grumman G-32A no. NC1326 built for Grumman's own use ...

the pic source: the net.

 

[Wurger]

So, why NXG2? Experimental Grumman 2? Why is it experimental?

According to the net the Grumman G-36A (a temporary US Grumman civil registration NXG2) was a 1940 demonstrator and test aircraft for a carrier-based fighter. I have also seen the pictures of her with two more Martlets taken at Roosevelt Field.. One was of the registration NXG7 while the second one NXG3.

 

[SaparotRob]

TBD's on RANGER during the closing days of the airplane's operational life 18 June 1942 Guantanamo Bay, Cuba the net
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If only one of them was preserved.

 

[Count de Bastrop]

IMHO ... nope. The GG-1 NX12V demonstartor had a different shape of the rudder, especially the trailing edge. It was stright while F2F/F3F had it more rounded. What is more the GG-1 had the bottom edge of the rudder fitted to the curvature of the fuselage ending. The F2F/F3F had it stright. All the features can be noticed in the pic of the red painted kite. Additionally there is a kind of the ventral fin at the fusealge end just behind of the tail wheel. The GG-1 demonstrator didn't have a such one there but instead of this there was a tail wheel. The next feature that doesn't indicate the GG-1 can be the lack of looking like the top aileron strut that may be noticed in the image you posted while in the color one can't be seen.

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Edit IMHO I have found that kite .... it looks like it is a Grumman G-32A. A pity the number is not readable but it starts with NC I would say.

the Grumman in question ...
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Grumman GG-1 NX12V demonstrator ...
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Edit 2 ... and finally I found the pic of a better quality and it is ... Grumman G-32A no. NC1326 built for Grumman's own use ...

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the pic source: the net.

Wow! You guys have good eyes for detail! I sit corrected! So, not a Gulfhawk (which explains the lack of sunburst pattern on the upper wing), but not the GG-1 either. Named "The Red Ship" at Grumman, it later became a UC-103 in USAAF service, s/n 42-97045.