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utter nonsense
the prime directive was to have the LW far and away from the target to engage re: for BC 100grp formation and it's spoof activities plus intruding over LW airfields upon landing if possible. 100th grp overall was incredibly effective in throwing off the LW in late 44 till wars end where the LW could not be more than at one target position at a time where BC could put up fighters/bombers in 4 areas to keep the Luftwaffe guessing......
E ~ the Lw NF force was only getting a 1 % kill return and many times not even that during 1945's operations.
Markus
I dont know where you live but low cloud in North Europe is the norm for a major part of the year, your previous triumphal posts about the 8th seem to only refer to escorted missions on a nice summers day. Who is sugar coating history now.
well said MM
Most contributors here have an elected government, during 1940 the British government was concerned morale may crack and the government forced to sue for peace. This was not a consideration of Hitler he wasnt elected and would only be removed by a coup or assasination. If the assasination attempt in July 1940 or various other plots had succeeded then allied air bombing would have been completely vindicated.
Moral judgements Charles Patterson
'Bomber Command was the only weapon we possessed. Bomber Command was available and had to be used every day and every night, weather permitting. Had that force been available and Churchill had got up and said, in the House of Commons, "Well, we have this large bomber force available,...
Charles Patterson,
Bomber Command pilot
What were the RN and British Army supposed to do against Hitler? Particularily in 1940-41?
And that was one of the reasons why the US bomber offensive went into high gear from spring 44 onwards; the weather had to improve sufficiently to actually see the targets or get into the air in the first place as the UK isn´t exactly known for it´s good weather.
1. IIRC The Blitz did not break the morale of the UK´s people. I even read it had the opposite effect.
2. Saying RAF air bombing would have been completely vindicated if Hitler had been killed in one of the many attempts on his life is just absurd. Those who plotted against him before the war did it as they were convinced Germany would loose the war and those who joined their ranks during the war were motivated by what was going on in the USSR, especially by the large scale war crimes.
Markus you wernt there he was therefore your comments are quite plainly nonesense. The people who lived through the war, like my family, fully supported Bomber Command going out to bomb Hitlers big black heart out (aas one commander put it. If Churchill had suggested we dont strike back he would have been out of office. In fact one of Churchills many quotes was from 14 July 1941, I have put in bold the most relevant part, no doubt you think that is nonesense too.
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I must, however, admit that when the storm broke in September, I was for several weeks very anxious about the result. Sometimes the gas failed; sometimes the electricity. There were grievous complaints about the shelters and about conditions in them. Water was cut off, railways were cut or broken, large districts were destroyed, thousands were killed, and many more thousands were wounded. But there was one thing about which there was never any doubt. The courage, the unconquerable grit and stamina of our people, showed itself from the very outset. Without that all would have failed. Upon that rock, all stood unshakable. All the public services were carried on, and all the intricate arrangements, far-reaching details, involving the daily lives of so many millions, were carried out, improvised, elaborated, and perfected in the very teeth of the cruel and devastating storm.
We have to ask ourselves this question: Will the bombing attacks come back again? We have proceeded on the assumption that they will. Many new arrangements are being contrived as a result of the hard experience through which we have passed and the many mistakes which no doubt we have made - for success is the result of making many mistakes and learning from experience. If the lull is to end, if the storm is to renew itself, we will be ready, will will not flinch, we can take it again.
We ask no favours of the enemy. We seek from them no compunction. On the contrary, if tonight our people were asked to cast their vote whether a convention should be entered into to stop the bombing of cities, the overwhelming majority would cry, "No, we will mete out to them the measure, and more than the measure, that they have meted out to us." The people with one voice would say: "You have committed every crime under the sun. Where you have been the least resisted there you have been the most brutal. It was you who began the indiscriminate bombing. We will have no truce or parley with you, or the grisly gang who work your wicked will. You do your worst - and we will do our best." Perhaps it may be our turn soon; perhaps it may be our turn now.
We live in a terrible epoch of the human story, but we believe there is a broad and sure justice running through its theme. It is time that the enemy should be made to suffer in their own homelands something of the torment they have let loose upon their neighbours and upon the world. We believe it to be in our power to keep this process going, on a steadily rising tide, month after month, year after year, until they are either extirpated by us or, better still, torn to pieces by their own people.
It is for this reason that I must ask you to be prepared for vehement counter-action by the enemy. Our methods of dealing with them have steadily improved. They no longer relish their trips to our shores. I do not know why they do not come, but it is certainly not because they have begun to love us more. It may be because they are saving up, but even if that be so, the very fact that they have to save up should give us confidence by revealing the truth of our steady advance from an almost unarmed position to superiority. But all engaged in our defence forces must prepare themselves for further heavy assaults. Your organization, your vigilance, your devotion to duty, your zeal for the cause must be raised to the highest intensity.
We do not expect to hit without being hit back, and we intend with every week that passes to hit harder. Prepare yourselves, then, my friends and comrades, for this renewal of your exertions. We shall never turn from our purpose, however sombre the road, however grievous the cost, because we know that out of this time of trial and tribulation will be born a new freedom and glory for all mankind.
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Markus you wernt there he was therefore your comments are quite plainly nonesense.
Again this is not about their courage during the war or something they said during the war. Mr. Patterson seems to have made this statement very recently. And it´s at least a huge oversimplyfication.
I think you misunderstood the question. I asked, what was the RN and British army supposed to do against Hitler?...