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Not taking it against you, Syscom, but:
a) KV was much better tank design
b) no T-34s took part in SCW, not even in Winter war
c) 85mm was bare minimum to fight Panthers, let alone Tigers
All said, the tank itself was much better then a doctrine that employed it for couple of years.
tomo pauk said:Not taking it against you, Syscom, but:
a) KV was much better tank design
b) no T-34s took part in SCW, not even in Winter war
c) 85mm was bare minimum to fight Panthers, let alone Tigers
All said, the tank itself was much better then a doctrine that employed it for couple of years.
There's no doubt that the T-34 was a good tank, and it's one of those cases where timing was everything.
But the world's best tank of all time? Hardly...
The best tank of WW2, considering all aspects of it.
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Timing is almost as important as the overall quality.
Producability: Excellent
Maintainability under field conditions: Excellent
Armor protection: Good to excellent
Gun: Good
Cold weather performance: Excellent
Could the Soviets have won the Eastern front without it? No.
Overall, the best tank of WW2. A great tank on its own, combined with the right attributes of being able to be mass produced, operated by semi-trained troops and then maintained in the field by same.
Gun ammo (76mm) themselves were as good as US 75mm we know from Sherman, while 85mm was as good as US 3in German 7,5/43, or /48 (topping them against 'soft' or 'house targets).
Soren - Have you got anything to support this statement as I find it hard to believee that a 37mm AA gun will do anything but scratch the paint off a tank at 500+ meters.On top of this the larger turret put on the T-34 in late 43 in order to accommodate the 85mm gun was made from so soft a steel that German 37mm AA guns were capable of penetrating it at ranges in excess of 500m and were thus a real threat..
This is where my statement of timing comes in. My understanding was that the 75mm armed Stug III and PzIV didn't arrive at the front in numbers until the third quarter of 42 and it took time to re-equipe all the units around the end of 42. By that time the drive had been blunted and the German adance slowed. It should also be remembered that the PzIVF2 had pretty thin armour.The T-34 is praised by a lot of people concentrating only on its initial success in 1941 where it most definitely surprised the Germans in a bad way. But what is forgotten is that it was litterally a matter of nomore than a couple of weeks before the Germans adapted and effectively dealt with the threat. Soon after the 7.5cm L/43 armed Pz.IV's and StuG III's arrived and they litterally put the T-34 to shame. .
Soren - Have you got anything to support this statement as I find it hard to believee that a 37mm AA gun will do anything but scratch the paint off a tank at 500+ meters.
This is where my statement of timing comes in. My understanding was that the 75mm armed Stug III and PzIV didn't arrive at the front in numbers until the third quarter of 42 and it took time to re-equipe all the units around the end of 42. By that time the drive had been blunted and the German adance slowed. It should also be remembered that the PzIVF2 had pretty thin armour.