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Nooo...not the Ice Cream Nazi!! :O
Schweiks Sim vs. Real Flying Debate Thread
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soulezoo
Senior Airman
Dodge version was the Lancer.
No, it was the school bus hooligans! We about drove her to distraction; she only drove us home.
Cheers,
Wes
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Generalfeldmarschall zur Luftschiff Abteilung
That actually was in reference to Seinfeld's Soup Nazi: "No Soup for You!!"
Who's Seinfeld?
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Generalfeldmarschall zur Luftschiff Abteilung
Seinfeld was a popular comedian in the 80's and 90's and had his own TV show.
The Soup Nazi was an occasional recurring character.
The Soup Nazi was an occasional recurring character.
davparlr
Senior Master Sergeant
The Dodge version of the Valiant was named Lancer only until 1963 when the redesigned version was called Dart. Both the slant six and the Torqueflite transmission are now considered very robust designs.
That '53 Pontiac wipers were most likely vacuum operated which had inherent variable speed selection on valve selection and tended to slow down or stop under acceleration. I know that the '57 Chevy had electric wipers which was not included in any other GM car. Also I think Chrysler included electric wipers around '55.
That '53 Pontiac wipers were most likely vacuum operated which had inherent variable speed selection on valve selection and tended to slow down or stop under acceleration. I know that the '57 Chevy had electric wipers which was not included in any other GM car. Also I think Chrysler included electric wipers around '55.
That's supposed to be funny?? They call this entertainment? Well to each their own, I guess.
BTW, I guess we can safely assume that "this performance is entirely a work of fiction, and any physical resemblance between any character herein and any Iraqi dictator, living or dead, is entirely coincidental."
Cheers,
Wes
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Ok so this is perhaps the most extreme example I know of where a flight Sim game player decided to put his skillz to the real test
Plane stolen by 'suicidal' mechanic crashes after unauthorized takeoff in Seattle
Apparently the guy flew loops and rolls and etc. for an hour before crashing, probably intentionally.
I want to be clear, I do not approve of this kind of thing, though I do find it amusing. Feel sorry for the guy too. He probably got the mechanic job because he wanted to be a pilot. But he probably should have stuck to the game.
At least dude didn't kill anybody.
S
Plane stolen by 'suicidal' mechanic crashes after unauthorized takeoff in Seattle
Apparently the guy flew loops and rolls and etc. for an hour before crashing, probably intentionally.
I want to be clear, I do not approve of this kind of thing, though I do find it amusing. Feel sorry for the guy too. He probably got the mechanic job because he wanted to be a pilot. But he probably should have stuck to the game.
At least dude didn't kill anybody.
S
And where does it say he was a video game player. Unless I missed it...
And just because you play a video game, does not mean you are going to get a commercial airliner off the ground.
Clayton Magnet
Staff Sergeant
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Crash: Horizon DH8D at Ketron Island on Aug 10th 2018, stolen aircraft crashed into forest
Watch the video in the link. It is audio with ATC, he clearly says he played video games and was comfortable controlling the Q400. Was doing aerobatics and toured around the area.
Watch the video in the link. It is audio with ATC, he clearly says he played video games and was comfortable controlling the Q400. Was doing aerobatics and toured around the area.
Clayton Magnet
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Doubt he was a mechanic, more like a baggage handler. A trained A&P mechanic would know the aircraft systems better than the pilots, and this guy seemed confused by fuel gauges
Got it. I had not watched the video yet.
I doubt though that playing video ganes gave him enough knowledge to start and a fly a Dash 8.
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If he was a mechanic working on other aircraft types, he wouldn't necessarily know the fine points of this plane's system. At one point I knew the Fokker F-27 fuel system backwards and forwards, but that didn't mean I was equipped to do fuel management on a 727.
More likely he was some sort of a "ramp rat" and erroneously labeled "mechanic" by the ignorant media, who are prone to labeling all airline workers as pilots, flight attendants, ticket agents, or mechanics.
He probably knew exactly as much about the "Q" as he could glean from various flight sim computer games.
Betcha this will result in universal retrofitting of ID card access in all air carrier aircraft not already so equipped. I remember when my friend Kathleen wanted to show me the glass cockpit FMS system in an Eagle EMB-145, she had to call Dispatch and get them to remotely tell the plane's ACARS system that she was authorized at that time before it would let her power up the master switch. It was already set to authorize the next crew assigned to it, for a departure three hours away. The only other person that had access authority at that time was the assigned flight line mechanic, and then only for the duration of his shift. If the Q had this system installed, no ramp rat would have been able to power it up, much less start the engines.
I bet there'll also be a push to reduce the authenticity of computer flight sims.
Cheers,
Wes
Clayton Magnet
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I have only seen ACARS used to file W&B reports and fuel loads, as well as ask dispatch for cabs, so thats pretty cool that it can lock out undesirables as well, if so equipt.
In Eagle's ERJs and CRJs the ACARS does so much more; monitoring engine parameters, monitoring fuel efficiency of individual pilots flying technique, monitoring flight dynamics and recording exceedences, authorizing individuals access to cockpit electronics, recording aircrew flight times, etc. All of this is automatically downloaded to Maintenance, and operational data such as W&B, dispatch releases, aircrew access and flight time, etc, is automatically forwarded to Dispatch and Operations. Each pilot station has a card reader where the pilot's ID card resides while the plane is in operation. Flight controls have transducers and record who's doing what at all times. "Big Brother is watching you!"
Older aircraft don't have this level of integration, and reportedly don't have ACARS transceivers with this level of bandwidth.
Cheers,
Wes
PS: ACARS also digitally downloads the flight plan, clearance, and Dispatch Releases as soon as they become available and loads them into the FMS along with ATIS info, so it's all at the flight crew's fingertips. There's a printer in the cockpit which can cough up as hard copy (or forward to crew's iPads) any of this, plus WX data at the push of a button.
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bobbysocks
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when I ran the ramp I loved the dash 8s. they hardly ever broke down and you could stack them full of a lot of cargo. very seldom did I have a weight and balance issue with them as opposed to saab 320s, doniers 328s ( beautiful POSs), beech 1400s, and jetstream J31s. they are not very comfortable to be a pax in but the pilots who flew them liked them. they are STOL so should have some more forgiving flight characteristics.
Dodge Lancers!!! forgot that name.....but I still remember the NAPA part numbers for the points, condenser, cap and rotor....lol
Dodge Lancers!!! forgot that name.....but I still remember the NAPA part numbers for the points, condenser, cap and rotor....lol
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Apparently he wasn't a mechanic, but he certainly didn't have any trouble reading the fuel gauges, to the contrary he could read them all too well, he was just alarmed by how fast he was burning up fuel. In fact, some are speculating that is actually why he crashed, he probably ran out of fuel. After his banter with the ATC about how fast his fuel was going, apparently one of his engines quit right before he went down.
What he probably didn't account for was how fast he would burn through his fuel on board flying at full power doing loops and big swirling diving turns down to sea level and so forth. I.e. as compared to just flying along at maximum economical altitude and speed. I'm not sure if the aircraft was fully loaded when he took off (I think he mentioned a specific number of lbs of fuel so that should be easy to verify) but his concern was at the rate it was disappearing.
Perhaps someone else here knows, but I wonder how fast could you burn though enough fuel that would normally be used in a sedate 2-3 hour flight with a load of passengers, vs. wild acrobatics at full power & low altitude.
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I'm not sure how those stunts would "baffle" anyone - Junior was flying the aircraft beyond it's rating amd was doing things in it that the manufacturer wouldn't condone.
I am willing to bet that *if* he had actually landed the aircraft, an inspection of the engines and airframe would have revealed damage.
And speaking of engines, his drastic fuel consumption is most likely because he set the controls for max. power for takeoff and didn't adjust pitch/fuel accordingly once he was up, meaning those engines were seriously taxed.
Like I mentioned earlier, any aircraft can do aerobatics at least once...much like any ship can be a submarine.
I am willing to bet that *if* he had actually landed the aircraft, an inspection of the engines and airframe would have revealed damage.
And speaking of engines, his drastic fuel consumption is most likely because he set the controls for max. power for takeoff and didn't adjust pitch/fuel accordingly once he was up, meaning those engines were seriously taxed.
Like I mentioned earlier, any aircraft can do aerobatics at least once...much like any ship can be a submarine.
