mkloby
Senior Master Sergeant
Oh and my most sincere thanks for that online sectional. I never knew about that site. Great stuff!
Small Aircraft Crashes Into New York City High-Rise Building
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FLYBOYJ
"THE GREAT GAZOO"
No sweat, enjoy...
Look at the airspace around NYC - your METARS showed broken and overcast, 1,600 and 1,800 feet - look what the chart shows, towers 1515!
It looks like they were real close to LaGuardia. They either got chased away or ran into a wll of soup and tried to turn around. In any case the East River isn't the place to do a 180 degree turn at 1000' (the news said they were at 600' when they hit the building)
Cant wait to get the full story on this...
FLYBOYJ
"THE GREAT GAZOO"
Yep - the plot thickens!
pbfoot
1st Lieutenant
that VFR route is below the height of most of the obstructions and from what I've heard is not monitered by ATC it is a seen and be seen area . It doesn't look like a good spot for a 180 but a point I'd like to make is that pilots sometimes stretch the truth a bit back in the 80's a large US carrier gave the pilots a bonus for fuel savings so the pilots would say they had the aerodrome visually when in our minds and other traffic it was not and they would proceed with a visual approach so they would not have to do the full IMC approach but abreviated the turn on to final to pick up the localizer at 3 or 4 miles hence saving fuel.
the lancaster kicks ass
Major General
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how much damage was done to the building? any pictures?
FLYBOYJ
"THE GREAT GAZOO"
I lived in that area and it is very congested fron the surface to 1500 feet.
Very True!
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mkloby
Senior Master Sergeant
So - anyone else wondering why the instructor let this all happen? I'm guessing he was inst rated. He shoulda known what was going down. How about talking to atc and getting and IFR clearance and getting under their positive control. It seems many when they hit trouble do not want to ask atc for assistance. Obviously you must maintain flight free of clouds, if you can't your not VFR. Maybe there was considerable head down time while they were trying to figure out what the hell to do. how else do you hit a building.
FLYBOYJ
"THE GREAT GAZOO"
I looked him up on line. Instrument, multi-engine, etc., etc.
Yep - I've done it before, it's a no-brain-er. Almost like someone who refuses to ask for directions when they are lost.
The SR20/22 has all kinds of gadgets and neat equipment and sometimes there is too much time screwing around with these things instead of flying the aircraft. On the other hand not fully knowing how to operate them could be just a deadly. I went to a CFI seminar last weekend and this exact subject was discussed.
His instructor was with him but unless he was giving him instrument instruction (that didn't seem likely) Lidle was still PIC. At the same time his instructor should of realized the risk of what they were doing (and tried to mitigate it) way before they decided to fly up the East River....
mkloby
Senior Master Sergeant
Just to let everybody know - passed my Primary instrument check ride. Have my last flight in the T-34C tonight. Kinda sad...
FLYBOYJ
"THE GREAT GAZOO"
VERY VERY COOL!!!!
Matt308
Glock Perfection
pbfoot
1st Lieutenant
congrats thats a tough course I'm going to assume probably one of the hardest
Congrats man!
evangilder
"Shooter"
Good job, Marine. 
FLYBOYJ
"THE GREAT GAZOO"
BTW - I read on Friday, the FAA closed the VFR corridor along the East River. They only allow helicopters and a small seaplane operator to go in there without calling ATC.
evangilder
"Shooter"
From what I have heard, that coridor had a lot of helos in there anyway. Looks pretty narrow and not a place for a novice. I heard on the radio that there were experienced pilots that would fly there.
FLYBOYJ
"THE GREAT GAZOO"
Yep - correct! Not a place for a novice pilot or anyone not familiar with the area. Flying there on a day with falling visibility was just plain stupid.
