Some old WW2 props

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    Hello,

    We recently found some beautiful props but are having trouble identifying them... can anyone help? I'm pretty sure the three prop is a 6339A-12 Hamilton standard (not sure what planes they were flown on) but the large two prop has absolutely no markings... not sure if there's anyone who can tell just by shape but thought I would ask!

    Thanks, Toby
     

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    #2 nuuumannn, Jun 10, 2013
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    Hi Toby, you are right on two of the props being of Hamilton Std origin; they could, of course be de Havilland licence built props, too. The two blade prop is possibly a HamStd 12D30 counterweight prop with the three blader with the hub halves and serparate blades being 23E50 by the looks of things. The complete three blader, I suspect is not and is most likely post war. To find the part numbers you need to take a good look at them. The HamStd part numbers will be on the hub halves of both of them, have a look around the base of the half with the spider in it and the big crack, or around the blade openings. Look on the other hub half in similar locations. The blade openings should also be numbered. The part number for the big blades will be on the circumfrence of the butt, you might want to take the covers off them. The two metal rings around the blade shanks are the bearing races and should be loose. The same with the two blader, you should find a number around the hub somewhere. As for the prop with the spinner fitted, it's from a later aircraft and it looks like a Hartzell prop, although it could be McCauley; the only way to find out is to grab a screw driver and take the spinner off and look on the hub for a part number.

    Part numbers won't tell you exactly which aeroplane they are off, but knowing what they are can help enormously; as I said though, the two blader and dismantled three blader are HamStd props. Good luck with your investigation.
     
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    The 2 blader looks like a Harvard prop, but a part number would confirm or deny.
     
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    Thanks! Let me take a look today and I will see what I find. Along one of the three prop HS blade I found a very faded stamping - 6339 so I'm pretty sure that is off a Lookheed Loadstar. I'll take a look at the hubs today for more info though.

    Thanks so much again!!
     
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    IMG_2799.JPG IMG_2800.JPG IMG_2801.JPG IMG_2802.JPG IMG_2813.JPG

    OK so I had a look at the collars and the 3 prop is a 6339A-12A which was flown on the Lockheed Model 18 Lodestar. The two HS bladed propeller I'm still unsure of. I got one half of the hub casing off but couldn't manage the second half. here's the various inscriptions that we found:
    Blades: MT88, MT42, OGSX - 1/2, T12599, SHANK 56151, AE3469, 2596D, H
    Hub: M8077, W24064, S8402-2AF

    I've searched about but can't find any info online... could anyone shed some light?
    Toby
     
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    Forgot to say also, some of the numbering was hand scribed!!
     
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    Found it! The 2 blade is of The Harvard (or one of it's many variants). An advanced trainer fighter plane from WWII. THANKS Nuuuumann and A4K. I enjoyed the hunt so much I'm now dissappointed its over - best get on and start polishing them :)

    All the best, Toby
     
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    Great stuff, Toby. The fun is only beginning! Have you pulled the other one apart yet?

    Here's the props in place:

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    The three blade HamStd is a very commonly used prop; I worked on a pair of these from a DC-3 once.
     
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    Thanks Nuuumannn, I took the spinner off but there wasn't much of a hub. I spoke with someone who's in the know and they are convinced its from a prototype post war plane. I'll see if I can find some numbers on that. Can't wait to restore the three prop - it looks sublime :)
     
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    Thanks for the pix also!! We found them at an old yard in Denver and just loved the shape - great to get into their history now.
     
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    reached out to someone on the internet and found some more info... it probably won't interest you but it fascinated me to know where the blades have been since 1941

    2096 L-18-10 R-50-3 Howard 250
    Bu 01006 U S Navy Acceptance date 6.5.41. VIP transport - 4 seat interior. Del. to NAS Anacostia 9.5.41. To NAS New York 18.6.42 (Com East Sea
    Front). Pool Quonset 9.46-8.5.47. To Burbank 1947. Reportedly modified to civillian standard 1.48. To NAS Anacostia 1.48-8.48. SoC
    8.48. Stored at Quonset Point.
    L.B.Smith Aircraft Corp., Miami, FL.
    N1126V Page Airways Inc., Rochester, NY. Bill of sale 16.6.50. TT 1488:10 hrs 20.10.50. Canx., 26.10.50.
    N60100 Page Airways Inc., Rochester, NY. Rgd by 27.9.50.
    N60100 Gannet Co. Inc., Rochester, NY. Bill of sale 16.11.50. Rgd., 24.11.50. TT 1608:55 hrs 30.10.51.
    N60100 Page Airways Inc., Rochester, NY. Bill of sale 29.8.52. TT 1623:55 hrs 8.52.
    N60100 John W Galbreath Co., Colombus, OH. Bill of sale 8.9.52. Rgd., 24.9.52. TT 1999:00 hrs 10.53. TT 2372:11 hrs 11.10.54. TT 2925:50 hrs 10.55. Major overhaul by RemmertWerner, Inc. 2.57.
    N60100 Howard Aero Inc., San Antonio, TX. Bill of sale 11.10.61.
    N60100 Robbins Executive Aircraft Corp., Royal Oak, MI. Bill of sale 11.10.61. N344Q reserved by Howard Aero 23.2.62 for this aircraft. Canx., 5.62.
    N344Q Robbins Executive Aircraft Corp., Royal Oak, MI. Rgd., 18.5.62. Converted to Howard 250 by BAC, 5.62.
    N344Q Studebaker-Packard Corp., South Bend, IN. Bill of sale 5.6.62. Rgd., 18.6.62. Del. circa 7.62 by Alamo. Name changed to Studebaker Corp. date unknown. Seen at La Guardia
    22.7.66 with small ‘Studebaker’ titles.
    N344Q Saraband Properties Inc., South Bend, IN. (Saraband was part of Studebaker) Bill of sale 22.11.67.
    N344Q Studebaker Corp., South Bend, IN. Rgd., 29.12.67.
    N344Q Vornado Inc., Garfield, NJ. Bill of sale 13.8.68. Referred to as a Howard 250. Rgd., 11.68.
    N344Q bird Corp., Palm Springs, CA. Bill of sale 25.1.71. JATO system installed from c/n 2531, 2.71 by bird under the authority of Love Field Air Center. See N4444Q c/n
    2513 which was also operated by bird Corp. N381RD requested for this aircraft.
    N381RD (1) bird Corp., Palm Springs, CA. 1971, has the reg. painted as N3BIRD. Rgd., 5.3.71. N381RD allocated to Howard 500 5560/500-113 8.72 and the Howard 500’s registration, N206G applied to this aircraft. Canx 5.9.72.
    N206G bird Corp., Sandpoint, ID. Rgd., 5.9.72.
    N206G Dee Howard Aircraft Sales, San Antonio, TX. Bill of sale 30.6.72. Probably in part exchange for the Howard 500 which was delivered to bird at this time.
    N710BK Dee Howard Aircraft Sales, San Antonio, TX. R.r. early 1973.
    N710BK Weber-Stephen Products Corp., Arlington Heights, IL. Bill of sale 15.2.73. Acquired for $35,000 via Mount Prospect State Bank. Seen at Pal Wankee 3.8.75.
    N710BK Grimes Rice Lumber, Seattle, WA. (Douglas Grimes Jim Rice) Bill of sale 1.11.76.
    N710BK Scottys Quick Frozen Bait Inc., Costa Mesa, CA. Bill of sale 1.5.77.
    N710BK Marjorie Jane Hinton John Oliver, San Antonio, TX. Bill of sale 21.7.77.
    N710BK Friendly Finance Inc., Corpus Christie, TX. Bill of sale 27.10.77.
    N710BK Aircraft Associates, Long Beach, CA. Bill of sale 18.12.78.  Taken at Las Vegas 3.79.
    N710BK By-Air Aviation Inc., Woodburn, OR. Bill of sale 30.1.80.
    N710BK Aircraft Associates, Long Beach, CA. Bill of sale 7.7.82. Rgd., 29.9.82. Sold 1.12.82 to an unknown party which was illegal.
    N710BK ? Seized by the County of Santa Barbara, CA. 9.1.84.
    N710BK Avatrex Corp., Wildomar, CA. (Fred Austin pilot of N500HP Howard 500) Bill of sale 25.1.84. Acquired from the County of Santa Barbara for $907.61(!) which was
    an un paid tax bill.
    N710BK Joe Miller, Anchorage, AK. Bill of sale 23.2.86. Rgd., 24.2.86.
    N710BK Wings of Yesterday Inc., Santa Fe, NM. Bill of sale 2.2.90. Rgd., 1.3.90. Reportedly acquired from the U. S. Marshal Service. Still rgd. to WoY, USCAR 10.95.
    N710BK David J. Old, Santa Fe, NM. Seen at Santa Fe 7.10.95 and 9.96 in poor condition.
    N710BK The American Airpower Heritage Flying Museum Inc. [Midland, TX.] Rgd., 3.97.
    N710BK J W Duff, Denver, CO. (Duff Aircraft Co.) Rgd., 21.6.00. Offered for sale 2.01 for $6500.00 by Airplanes For Sale, Aircraft For Sale, Aircraft Parts For Sale, Airplane Parts For Sale, Free Classified Aviation Ads, Used Aircraft, Helicopter For Sale, Aircraft Classified Ads, Cessna, Beechcraft, Piper, de Havilland, Boeing, Airbus and Lockheed p in Santa Teresa NM
     
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