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Yep< I hope so, but hope not on the racetrack, unless it is a racing wheel after all XD
Steering wheel of a ???
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Yep< I hope so, but hope not on the racetrack, unless it is a racing wheel after all XD
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I can see the pics now. I don't think it's a C-47/DC-3 yoke, as they weren't wooden, but more like the material used on car steering wheels of the period - a steel core with a plastic-type cladding, or just solid metal. It does, however, have some similarities with the yokes on a Ju52/3M, which, believe, were wood.
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There appear to be markings on the back of the spokes. Anyway you could post them?
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This is the best pic from my phone, I am away from home so can only check it out Tuesday.
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vikingBerserker
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Well done Terry!
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I really should get out more .....
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Lols, I knew this forum would get the answer soon with so many experts.
Still a nice item, do you think it is worth something? I am not sure to keep it as I got it as a gift or to sell it in these hard times.
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Edit: I am pretty sure the Ju-52 was involved in the invasion of South Holland (+ bombing Rotterdam) in the beginning, all close in the area where this piece was found. I just read the Ju-52 was the standard transport plane for the Luftwaffe as well so hard to say what kind of mission this plane had when it crashed or was shot down.
I wish it was a Fokker piece though. I really get interested in WW2 planes now, I already have a 1:18 Spitfire D-Day from 21st Century Toys so this is my 2nd WW2 item I guess.
I wish it was a Fokker piece though. I really get interested in WW2 planes now, I already have a 1:18 Spitfire D-Day from 21st Century Toys so this is my 2nd WW2 item I guess.
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Very cool. Thanks for sharing it with us.
GrauGeist
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Check with your local air museum, that is not a very common article to have, especially in that condition.Lols, I knew this forum would get the answer soon with so many experts.
Still a nice item, do you think it is worth something? I am not sure to keep it as I got it as a gift or to sell it in these hard times.
Good work Terry. I was just cheking on the Ju52 when I saw your post.
F16, you could contact Stichting Crash 40-45. I think they can help you.
F16, you could contact Stichting Crash 40-45. I think they can help you.
Fokker T.V 850 crashed near Waddinxveen, but the yoke on that one look different.
Can't find any other crash there apart from a Bf110 which we can dismiss.
During Fallgelb, the Germans attempted an airborn assault on Den Haag and it's airfields. They tried to land with their Ju52's on these airfield, but also crash landed on the highways and fields around. Waddinxveen seem to be just a little too far away, though. Could it be that your father found this closer to Ypenburg or Leiden?
Can't find any other crash there apart from a Bf110 which we can dismiss.
During Fallgelb, the Germans attempted an airborn assault on Den Haag and it's airfields. They tried to land with their Ju52's on these airfield, but also crash landed on the highways and fields around. Waddinxveen seem to be just a little too far away, though. Could it be that your father found this closer to Ypenburg or Leiden?
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Okay thank you, will do.
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My dad told me again that it was found in or near by Waddinxveen, he could not say which year though. I think I will ask the museum you mentioned.
Interesting to read all the details you found, do you have a picture link of the Fokker yoke as I cannot find it. Did the Luftwaffe used the Fokkers too after their invasion? If so, they may replaced the Yoke? Small change, but just asking.
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Bedoel je deze? Berging van Fokker T-V
Yup, that's the one.
I have a picture here in a book of a T.V yoke. It's similar to this yoke of a Fokker G-1:
The Germans did indeed use some Fokkers. The only ones that were good enough and available to them in any significant number were the G-1 and the T-8W. Both types flew for some years in the Luftwaffe. The other, older Fokkerdesigns were not used much because they were either obsolete or not available.
On the lost-lists, they only put aircraft that were a total loss. So this particular aircraft possibly flew again, abeit with a new Yoke
. Also, in 1940, the Germans lost a tremendous amount of these aircraft during the attack on Den Haag. Estimations vary between 250 and 450 aircraft, all in those 5 days. In that chaos, it is very difficult to identify every individual crash. Best thing to do is contact Stichting Crash, as I said. I guess if someone knows it should be them. They have specialists to identify crashed aircraft.
About keeping or selling, I don't know the content of your purse, so I cannot help you there. But remember, as long as this stays in the family, this is a piece with a story and will later be a memory of your father who lived through those dark days. If you sell it, it will only be a nameless piece, decorating the wall of some rich collector.
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Given that it is a Ju52 yoke, and I'm virtually certain it is, and given it's from a wartime crash site, then that alone makes this a rare, and historically valuable piece.
There are not many Ju52s left in the World, and the majority that are still in existence are Spanish-built examples, not involved in WW2. If this also proves to be from a Ju52 involved in the invasion of the Netherlands, then it is even more important historically, and more so again as a piece of history of the Netherlands herself.
The invasion was the first time airborne (paratroops/glider troops) forces had been used in strength, not only to quickly neutralise a target but, in this case, to invade, neutralise and occupy a country. the whole World witnessed this shocking event, and wondered "Who's next?".
The piece is in exceptional, original condition; a collector might pay a few hundred Euros for it, and then it's gone. As a piece of history of the Netherlands, it's impossible to put a price on it and, to Holland as a country, this would equate in importance, if in the UK, and England in particular, to a similar well-preserved relic of the Battle of Britain.
You have a choice - keep the part, knowing you have an important and historically valuable piece of Holland's history, with a direct family connection, or perhaps donate this to a relevant museum, on a long term loan basis, retaining actual ownership, in the knowledge that anyone then can see the part. A museum might possibly buy the part, but from experience, most aviation-orientated museums will not have spare funds.
Alternatively, you could sell the part, a family heirloom given as a gift, and make a few hundred, perhaps thousands, of Euros, but in the knowledge that the part is probably lost forever, in a private collection.
There are not many Ju52s left in the World, and the majority that are still in existence are Spanish-built examples, not involved in WW2. If this also proves to be from a Ju52 involved in the invasion of the Netherlands, then it is even more important historically, and more so again as a piece of history of the Netherlands herself.
The invasion was the first time airborne (paratroops/glider troops) forces had been used in strength, not only to quickly neutralise a target but, in this case, to invade, neutralise and occupy a country. the whole World witnessed this shocking event, and wondered "Who's next?".
The piece is in exceptional, original condition; a collector might pay a few hundred Euros for it, and then it's gone. As a piece of history of the Netherlands, it's impossible to put a price on it and, to Holland as a country, this would equate in importance, if in the UK, and England in particular, to a similar well-preserved relic of the Battle of Britain.
You have a choice - keep the part, knowing you have an important and historically valuable piece of Holland's history, with a direct family connection, or perhaps donate this to a relevant museum, on a long term loan basis, retaining actual ownership, in the knowledge that anyone then can see the part. A museum might possibly buy the part, but from experience, most aviation-orientated museums will not have spare funds.
Alternatively, you could sell the part, a family heirloom given as a gift, and make a few hundred, perhaps thousands, of Euros, but in the knowledge that the part is probably lost forever, in a private collection.
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After reading your post I think I will keep it for now at least (unless someone wants to pay lots). I am pretty sure it was used in the war, but not sure if it was in a invasion. Reading your post again and the line that it was the 1st airborne Paratroop invasion got me thinking it might be very special. I read the story behind the Ju-52 and read there were many made so might not be very special comparing to more rare planes, but thanks to your explanation I now know better, really thank you a lot for helping out and with the advise. I will keep this thread updated when I got more news about the yoke and it's history. 8)
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Yup, that's the one.
I have a picture here in a book of a T.V yoke. It's similar to this yoke of a Fokker G-1:
The Germans did indeed use some Fokkers. The only ones that were good enough and available to them in any significant number were the G-1 and the T-8W. Both types flew for some years in the Luftwaffe. The other, older Fokkerdesigns were not used much because they were either obsolete or not available.
On the lost-lists, they only put aircraft that were a total loss. So this particular aircraft possibly flew again, abeit with a new Yoke
Best thing to do is contact Stichting Crash, as I said. I guess if someone knows it should be them. They have specialists to identify crashed aircraft.
About keeping or selling, I don't know the content of your purse, so I cannot help you there. But remember, as long as this stays in the family, this is a piece with a story and will later be a memory of your father who lived through those dark days. Iof you sell it, it will only be a nameless piece, decorating the wall of some rich collector.
That yoke is pretty sci-fi for it's time. O:
Ok, I remember reading as a child in the Soesterberg museum that Fokker even built some planes for the Luftwaffe, of course under pressure. I also have a picture of one of the Fokkers when it was at display in the 90's. So they lost so many Yunkers? That is a huge number of losses, I will pass on the numbers of the yoke to the Stichting you mentioned. Do you think this org. know more too? Willkommen in der Ju 52 Halle der Traditionsgemeinschaft Lufttransport Wunstorf e. V.?
I really think to keep the item now as it now seems to have a special history + family story. Really thank you a lot for helping, I will post more if I get more news about it.
