The Best Bf - 109 Variant ?

Erich · May 2, 2005

The FW 190A-8 was developed in more numbers than any other variant of the 190, and only when the Oschersleben plant was finally destroyed did it have some effect on production, granted there were several other manufacturers of the Würger. Fuel was the detriment as there were more than enough Luftw. pilots to take on the Allies "indianer" and Viermots.

The Fw 190A series were dogs at the higher altitiudes and this is why the 109G-AS versions were used in the high escort roles of receiving the US Escort fighters in particular and in vain tried to protect the heavier armed Fw 190A's on their bomber attacks...........see my web-pages

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the lancaster kicks ass · May 2, 2005

you have web pages??

Erich · May 2, 2005

you're kidding right ? I have listed it in the past Lanc

go to Sturmgruppen on Google search and you will find it - Kascmarek/ Neil Page: translation work. punch that in and go half way down and find some SturmFW articles. The old stuff is still on the net rolling around in cyberspace and we need to think seriously of revitalizing them in some form

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DerAdlerIstGelandet · May 2, 2005

Titus70 said:
Hi KrazyKanuck,
Thanks for pointing that out. You're correct. The Focke-Wulf was developed early. My point to Adler was that heavy Allied bombing campaign was having such a major impact that "developing" i.e. putting the Focke Wulf and variants into large scale production to strategically impact the airwar over Germany was already too late.
Yes, they most certainly were flying and being used as effective bomber interceptor fighters. But the devasting arial bombardment had made it difficult to effectivley put into the air sufficient numbers. Let alone ever improved versions in sufficient quantities with enough well trained experienced pilots.
My apologies for not stating it more clearer.

Cheers
Titus.

Most of my sources say that 20051 Fw-190's were built of all versions. These figures may be incorrect though. The aircraft was built in quite sufficient numbers. However I believe if some of the production lines of the 109 had been replaced by 190 lines more would have built and this would have been better for the Luftwaffes needs.

Of the 20051 there were:

Fw-190V1 through V-54: 54

190A-0: 30

190A-1: 102

190A-2: 426

190A-3: 509

190A-4: 894

190A-5: 723

190A-6: 596

190A-7: 80

190A-8: 1334

190B: 6

190C: 9

190D-0: 10

190D-9: Unknown possibly 674

190F-1: 25-30

190F-2: 271

190F-3: 250

190F-8: 385

190F-9: Unknown as series was stopped dew to end of war

190G-0: Unknown

190G-1: 49

190G-2: 468

190G-3: Unknown

190G-4: Unknown

190G-8: Unknown

Anonymous · May 2, 2005

Titus,

Just my opinion but that is too much material to quote onto this site. Give the link, and make the material available for yourself offline just in case the site goes down.

Also, when you do quote such things, I suggest you use the quote feature of this forum. Simply use the following format:

<quote> text you want to quote
goes here and I suggest you put the
url at the end with the close quote tag on the same line
http://www.ww2aircraft.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=518 </quote>

but use square brackets instead of angle brackets, which will give the following:

text you want to quote
goes here and I suggest you put the
url at the end with the close quote tag on the same line
http://www.ww2aircraft.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=518

Note: putting the cursor over the style and block icons at the top of the text entry box will give you the formats for the tags for that item.

Note2: in IE you can simply highlight the text you want to tag and hit the button and it will put the tags around the highlighted text, but in Mozilla FireFox (another browser) this does not seem to work so i type in the tags by hand (it's not that hard).

Good Luck,

Lunatic

DerAdlerIstGelandet · May 2, 2005

It does making typing easier.

Titus70 · May 3, 2005

Thank you for your discussion input Adler and Erich re the FW190.

Also appreciate the tips and suggestions from RG_Lunatic
re: http://www.virtualpilots.fi/feature/articles/109myths/#myths
regarding use of links and quotes.

The paste feature saves a lot of typing; but sure, I will try to keep the amount of pasted 'quote' material to a reduced amount in the future.

Hope you found the site article of interest.

Best Wishes to all
Titus

DerAdlerIstGelandet · May 3, 2005

No problem welcome to the site by the way.

CharlesBronson · May 10, 2005

Some 60 years ago: the Hartmann`s last victory.

During the last months of the war JG 52 had fallen back into Silesia in the face of the Red Army. During March the unit had been tasked with escorting transport aircraft flying an air-bridge into the beleaguered city of Breslau in Silesia. The Red Army's advance in southern Moravia and in particular the opening of an offensive against the major city of Brünn on April 15 1945 forced JG 52 to fall back to the field at Deutsch Brod, south-west of Prague. On 8 May 1945, the last day of the war in Europe, I./JG 52 flew their last sorties of the war. It is generally accepted that Erich Hartmann's last victory was returned during his final sortie. After being detailed by Kommodore Graf to ascertain how close the Russians were to the field at Deutsch Brod, Hartmann (and an unnamed wingman according to Ullmann) took off, climbed to 4,000ft and headed east. Arriving over Brünn, Hartmann spotted a formation of Yak-9 fighters and quickly accounted for one of the Soviet fighters in an action that is related in Toliver and Constable's biography .

DerAdlerIstGelandet · May 11, 2005

And after that he flew to the American Lines but was handed over to the Russians, I believe.

CharlesBronson · May 11, 2005

That is right, then he spend 10 years in forced labors in Russia.

DerAdlerIstGelandet · May 12, 2005

Yeap returned and flew for the modern Luftwaffe and was even sent to the United States as an instructor pilot.

CharlesBronson · May 17, 2005

Hartmann´s 300th, 24 august 1944, BF-109 G-6/U-2

DerAdlerIstGelandet · May 17, 2005

It is a shame that his aircraft does not exist anymore today. It would be great to see it.

cheddar cheese · May 17, 2005

Buy one of the Flugwerk 109's and paint it like his.... 8)

CharlesBronson · May 17, 2005

Recently I have several arguments in the spanish language forums for some article published in the french magazine Le Fana de L'Aviation No. 423.
In his issue of February of this year, there is a some guy named Dimitri Khazanov who is presented as a historian, wich wrote a large amount of bullshit.
Between other crazy statements he alleged that Hartmann claims are wrong and he could shot down at most 80 planes.

Off course this suposed "historian" forget to tell the readers the enormous lies wich are included in some russian airwar narrations, suchs as " Lilia Litvak was killed by 8 BF-109" or "Alexander Pokryshkin fought alone with 25 Messerschmitts" completely and absolute crap.

Fortunatly for me, I have found a yesterday a excellent website wich put this moron in the right place.

http://members.aol.com/falkeeins/Sturmgruppen/hartmannclaims.html

plan_D · May 18, 2005

I read it. It certainly rips this crap about Hartmann being a liar to pieces.

FLYBOYJ · May 18, 2005

Even the Russians acknowleged his record, that's why they had a price on his head and held him for many years after the war!

Udet · May 18, 2005

Mr. Bronson is correct.

Soviet mythology is plentiful of cases like those of the female ace (who in fact got caught, shot down and killed by a single Bf 109 pilot).

Let´s not forget the soviet ministry for mythology affairs has it the soviet union won the war all by itself. Yeah Right.

Lend-Lease sent them very little (which happened to be "crap" compared to similar soviet produced items). The opening of new fronts in the west "did not have any significant effect" on the outcome of the war; the strategic bombing campaign of both RAF and USAAF -reaching its peak in 1944- also had no relevant effect in the benefit of the soviets for the simple reason the war "against both the Wehrmacht and Luftwaffe had already been decided in 1943", etc, etc.

The schizophrenic delusion of those people continues.

So now they are out after Hartmann? )))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))

lesofprimus · May 18, 2005

Gerhard Barkhorn is next.......
Then Gunther Rall........
Then Kittle and Nowotny.......

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