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just like guernica?
That out performed all marks of the Lancaster
I guess it's me, but, I'm sorry, I don't have a clue what that is all about; a long list of (presumably) authors, that I've a) never read, and b) never heard of, doesn't impress, so, for the less erudite among us, perhaps we could have a precis of what they've said?Looking at english page of "bombing of Guerinca" there are virtually no mention to "terror raid" for "experimental purposes" despite it's the official spanish position from every sides and historians (left, right, middle, francoists, basque autonomists...).
The last synthesis published by Bartolome Benassar (2004-2006 is not even evocated. And no Antony Beevor or Gordon Thomas and Max Morgan Witts fundamental works.
Regards
This is precisely what the proponents of the Lancaster are saying; it could, and did, bomb civilian areas into oblivion, but it could also lift a 6-ton bomb to 15,000' and put it into the Tirpitz. It could also lift a 10-ton bomb to 12,000' and put it within 30 yards of a viaduct ("like trying to stick a dart in a line," as someone put it.) Any others with similar capabilities?Are there any bombers that could do both strategic and tactical bombing? If there are, would that make them better bombers overall?
Harris argued that the RAF did a better job of containing the German navy than the royal navy did and the lanc was his preferred heavy bomber. however some credit must go to the bomb maker and the gun sight I see no reason why a B29 couldnt do what a lanc didThis is precisely what the proponents of the Lancaster are saying; it could, and did, bomb civilian areas into oblivion, but it could also lift a 6-ton bomb to 15,000' and put it into the Tirpitz. It could also lift a 10-ton bomb to 12,000' and put it within 30 yards of a viaduct ("like trying to stick a dart in a line," as someone put it.) Any others with similar capabilities?
Edgar
But the argument of Lancaster vs B-17 vs B-24 vs B-29 is clearly only about heavy/strategic bombers. Is the general feeling that strategic bombers were more important, and therefore the best bomber must be one of them?
Are there any bombers that could do both strategic and tactical bombing? If there are, would that make them better bombers overall?
This is precisely what the proponents of the Lancaster are saying; it could, and did, bomb civilian areas into oblivion, but it could also lift a 6-ton bomb to 15,000' and put it into the Tirpitz. It could also lift a 10-ton bomb to 12,000' and put it within 30 yards of a viaduct ("like trying to stick a dart in a line," as someone put it.) Any others with similar capabilities?
Edgar
I'd say that even though it didn't do such feats that the B-29 was more than capable of replicating that. It could lift a grand slam to the altitudes Barnes Wallis envisioned - over 30,000ft - though I'm not sure how accurate the sighting would be from up there. Or it could drop two Tallboys in the same 12,000ft scenario and have them land 30 yards from a via duct.
The only thing I am unsure of with the B-29 is what was the maximum bomb size for an unmodified version (ie to carry the nukes and the Grand Slam the B-29 had to modified to make it possible - Tallboys could be carried on underwing pylons).
So what? They were only following the lead of the air force which bombed Guernica, Rotterdam, Hull, Coventry, Exeter (not renowned for their factories and military installations,) and I don't recall any Lancaster gunners mowing down civilian refugees, as was done in France. During a recent interview, one ex-Lancaster pilot faced some hostile questions, including,"Didn't you feel guilty, dropping bombs on civilians?" "Not really, I just felt, each time, that it was one back for Coventry."
Edgar
I guess it's me, but, I'm sorry, I don't have a clue what that is all about; a long list of (presumably) authors, that I've a) never read, and b) never heard of, doesn't impress, so, for the less erudite among us, perhaps we could have a precis of what they've said?
Edgar
Yes, a B-29,This is precisely what the proponents of the Lancaster are saying; it could, and did, bomb civilian areas into oblivion, but it could also lift a 6-ton bomb to 15,000' and put it into the Tirpitz. It could also lift a 10-ton bomb to 12,000' and put it within 30 yards of a viaduct ("like trying to stick a dart in a line," as someone put it.) Any others with similar capabilities?
Edgar
Yes, a B-29,
Just because it didn't do it, doesn't mean that it couldn't.But, the B29 didn't though did it...
The issue of crew training aside I believe the point he's trying to make includes the element of time, which you're overlooking. No one's claiming the B-29 couldn't carry the bombs or bomb with them, but why didn't she bomb the Tirpitz? Why didn't she bomb Saumur? Why didn't she bomb the V weapon sites? Because she'd literally only just entered service, by this point the Lancaster was a proven airframe and realistically was, at the time, the only one capable of doing it operationally. The two are not contemporary designs after all, the Lancaster is essentially a 1936 design, it's like saying the B-52 would be able to do the bombing raids, of course she could, but she wasn't around and proven at the time. I'm not really sure why we're arguing this point, it's not disputed that the B-29 could take the weight, but nor should it be taken away from the Lanc that she's the one with dropped Tallboys and Grandslams on her combat record, the 'Yes the Lanc's the only one to have done it operationally but the B-29 could also take the weight' argument shouldn't take anything away from the Lanc.
Just because it didn't do it, doesn't mean that it couldn't.
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