"The case for the P-47 Thunderbolt being the greatest fighter of the Second World War " (2 Viewers)

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How hard can it be?
 
The USA had a whole series of colour coded war plans in the 1920s and 1930s covering war scenarios with just about everyone. Most famous was War Plan Orange to fight Japan. But they included plans to fight Britain and its Empire, War Plan Red with various sub plans in shades of red to deal with parts thereof. Canada was War Plan Crimson.

On the outbreak of WW2 in 1939 the "Colour" plans were replaced by a series of "Rainbow" Plans.covering different scenarios.

 
Gas is not as effective a weapon as often portrayed. You need lots of it and the weather has to cooperate. To kill a soldier in WWI required a lot of gas. I had calculated it at one time and it was tons.
The Tokyo sarin attacks were not that effective.
I don't think WWII bombers could achieve the concentrations necessary to launch effective gas attacks
 
This has been posted previously on this website:

 
#1 Whether it was or wasn't is irrelevant to the prevailing fears and understanding of the time.
#2 The Tokyo attacks were very limited and deployed by complete amateurs, so any comparison there seems a bit spurious to me (?)

A more pertinent comparison would be to look at the effect of gas as a weapon in Ethiopia
or, for a more direct comparison to the effect in a built-up area we could look at what happened in Halabja.

3,200–5,000 killed
7,000–10,000 injured

... all achieved in '14 bombings in sorties of seven to eight planes each'.

Although modern jets operated by the Iraqis might have carried comparatively more payload by weight, a raid of 150 aicraft carrying 3000lbs of gas munitions was well within the capability of the Luftwaffe. Additionally, theres every reason to believe that German produced poison gas may have been more deadly, given the direct experience of developing and using it in WW1 and their vats chemical manufacturing capabilities.

The British may have equipped the majority of the population with gas masks, but their effectiveness was never put to test against the nerve agents the Germans had at their disposal.
 
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If I was a pilot then I would fly P47 above all given the protection and indestructible nature of the beast.

However most people forget that the P47 cost the same as two P51s. So as a commander it would never be the greatest fighter...
 
If I was a pilot then I would fly P47 above all given the protection and indestructible nature of the beast.

However most people forget that the P47 cost the same as two P51s. So as a commander it would never be the greatest fighter...
If it was indestructible why didnt they produce a wingless version to knock out tanks with 50 Cal guns on the ground. It is a huge leap of faith to believe a half inch bore MG can take out a tank if mounted on an aircraft, but cant take out an aircraft if mounted on a tank.
 
Relatively indestructible. Radial Engine. Turbo in the Rear. Tight cowling. Plenty of armour compared to others given 2800hp.
 
A wingless version would not be combat effective as the armament of a P-47 was located in the wings.
An airborne battery of .50s is a bit more effective against tanks than a ground based one because turret roof and engine deck armor tended to be a lot thinner than hull and turret front and side armor.
.50 caliber AA guns did knock down their share of low flying aircraft.
 
The wingless fuselage is purely for protection, you can bounce 50 Cals off the turret of a tank in the same way P-47s bounced rounds off the ground to knock tanks out hitting them underneath where they have no protection.
 
A friend of mine, who was with the 82nd Airborn at Normandy, had mentioned that of all the aircraft he saw in action from Normandy onward, it was the P-47 and Typhoon that were the most fearsome.

While he never mentioned any tanks destroyed, he did say that the damage inflicted on vehicles, structures, animals and humans was the stuff of nightmares.
 
Biggest mistake of war keeping Spit as interceptor when allies on offense...
The RAF was and is first of all there for defence of the UK. It was also responsible for defence of USA assets in UK. It may be possible in hindsight to say that the UK was over protected, but to not have any air defence in 1943/44 could have been a massive mistake.
 

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