The first real jet engine

swampyankee · Jan 6, 2018

Duske said:
Kurt Welter – Wikipedia

Pilot Kurt Welter was one of the most highly decorated jet pilots during WW 2. He reached 63 victorys during only 93 combats. 56 victorys at night runs and 25 with the Me 262. So there must be something wrong when telling a wrong story about the Jumo 004. At least after each TBO by changing compressor shovels the Jet was ready to go again. They worked 24 h a day in three shifts to get the overhauling done. The Jumo 004 did pruduce 5150 kW/7000 hp
at full throttle. This could only be reached by using a 12 stage compressor as an axial Jet engine. By showing only a single compressor the Whittle radial one could not compete. It`s your turn telling the max hp of a Whittle one. In my opinion a single compressor is unable feeding the engine with enough air at high rpm. That`s why the Shooting Star did show such a poor Performance - a wasted investment. With the first German Jet they captured the US copied it - as they stated ! This Statement can be seen at almost every US-Air Museeum - but impossible for Hendon. That makes the difference !

Why did the US took out everything they could grab - when you had everything better up front and that long before as you say.

Messerschmitt Me 262 – Wikipedia
Die Strahltriebwerke der Me 262 lieferten bei niedriger Geschwindigkeit im Vergleich zu Propeller-Antrieben relativ wenig, bei hoher Geschwindigkeit dagegen vergleichsweise viel Schub (bei der Me 262 rund 5150 kW / 7000 PS); außerdem wies die Maschine wegen ihrer hohen Masse eine geringere Wendigkeit als die ...
Stückzahl‎: ‎1433
Hersteller‎: ‎Messerschmitt AG
Erstflug‎: ‎18. Juli 1942
Typ‎: ‎Strahlgetriebener‎ ‎Jagdbomber

WHat

Duske said:
Kurt Welter – Wikipedia

Pilot Kurt Welter was one of the most highly decorated jet pilots during WW 2. He reached 63 victorys during only 93 combats. 56 victorys at night runs and 25 with the Me 262. So there must be something wrong when telling a wrong story about the Jumo 004. At least after each TBO by changing compressor shovels the Jet was ready to go again. They worked 24 h a day in three shifts to get the overhauling done. The Jumo 004 did pruduce 5150 kW/7000 hp
at full throttle. This could only be reached by using a 12 stage compressor as an axial Jet engine. By showing only a single compressor the Whittle radial one could not compete. It`s your turn telling the max hp of a Whittle one. In my opinion a single compressor is unable feeding the engine with enough air at high rpm. That`s why the Shooting Star did show such a poor Performance - a wasted investment. With the first German Jet they captured the US copied it - as they stated ! This Statement can be seen at almost every US-Air Museeum - but impossible for Hendon. That makes the difference !

Why did the US took out everything they could grab - when you had everything better up front and that long before as you say.

Messerschmitt Me 262 – Wikipedia
Die Strahltriebwerke der Me 262 lieferten bei niedriger Geschwindigkeit im Vergleich zu Propeller-Antrieben relativ wenig, bei hoher Geschwindigkeit dagegen vergleichsweise viel Schub (bei der Me 262 rund 5150 kW / 7000 PS); außerdem wies die Maschine wegen ihrer hohen Masse eine geringere Wendigkeit als die ...
Stückzahl‎: ‎1433
Hersteller‎: ‎Messerschmitt AG
Erstflug‎: ‎18. Juli 1942
Typ‎: ‎Strahlgetriebener‎ ‎Jagdbomber

Good for Kurt Welter, but what does that have to do with the development of the jet engine?

So far, you've told us about Gerhard Neumann, who left Germany before WW2 and had absolutely nothing to do with jet engine development in Germany (under the nazi racial laws, he was Jewish), a random fighter pilot, and attributed the manufacturer of the engines on many of the 1950s US military aircraft to the wrong company.

I don't give a damn about some fighter pilot; he had no significant role in jet engine development. I want citations to primary documents with verified provenance, and since you're making claims in contradiction to the consensus position -- for which we can provide citations -- it's your responsibility to give us something other than your opinion and fables to back it up.

And if you're going to claim some sort of ethical failure on the part of the Allies for taking German stuff, read a bit of history that was published about WW2 in, say, Poland. Or Belgium, Slovakia, Czechia, ....

buffnut453 · Jan 6, 2018

Swampyankee,

You're tilting at windmills, i'm afraid. Duske has been booted off the forum for his continued Anglophobic rhetoric and unwillingness to engage in reasoned conversation.

However, I agree with everything you wrote.

swampyankee · Jan 6, 2018

buffnut453 said:
Swampyankee,

You're tilting at windmills, i'm afraid. Duske has been booted off the forum for his continued Anglophobic rhetoric and unwillingness to engage in reasoned conversation.

However, I agree with everything you wrote.

Thanks.

I needed to rant a bit, though, and he gave me a good chance to do it

buffnut453 · Jan 7, 2018

swampyankee said:
I needed to rant a bit, though, and he gave me a good chance to do it

He tended to invoke those emotions!

parsifal · Jan 7, 2018

Has he gone/ if he was gone wouldn't there be a "banned" marker on his profile?

buffnut453 · Jan 7, 2018

Marcel said:
And I on the Dutch side
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Currywurst?

Marcel · Jan 7, 2018

parsifal said:
Has he gone/ if he was gone wouldn't there be a "banned" marker on his profile?

You get a line through his nickname.

swampyankee · Jan 7, 2018

parsifal said:
Has he gone/ if he was gone wouldn't there be a "banned" marker on his profile?

Well, there is, at least as I write this, the word "banned" under his name. Perhaps the moderators should close this thread before more people beat his dead horse.

fubar57 · Jan 7, 2018

Dang, I miss Duske already

Marcel · Jan 7, 2018

I could give you his email address, but am not allowed to do so.

fubar57 · Jan 7, 2018

Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh, the fun that would be

Marcel · Jan 7, 2018

Yup, that's why it is not allowed.

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