The Germans did not have the resources to make turbines reliable at high exhaust temperatures.
At El Alamein, the Bf109Fs were superior to anything the allies had, and the Ju88s were excellent medium bombers. Ju87s were effective if escorted effectively.
I don't think this is borne out by the operational data. In fact, a lot of it was posted here in another thread somewhere, I can dredge it up. But I'll post a couple of quick examples below.
In early 1942, the Bf 109F was clearly vastly superior to all the Allied fighters, as demonstrated by very skewed loss ratios in favor of the Luftwaffe each time they engaged. By the point of Second El Alamein however, the Bf 109F4 was no longer dominant or even superior. The Spitfire Vb and Vc and P-40F / Kittyhawk II in particular were more than holding their own. The 109F4s were in fact starting to be being replaced by 109G2s by this time.
The Ju 87 was no longer effective at 2nd El Alamein, taking losses even with escorts, and when attacked routinely discharged their ordinance before reaching their target in order to avoid being destroyed.
The Ju 88 took very heavy losses almost every time they were used all through 1942 and was really no longer sustainable as a daytime bomber in Theater by that point. At least not in North Africa or the Mediterranean.
So some review, Second Battle of El Alamein started Oct 24 1942. Let's go through the first few days of air combat. I'll only count 'confirmed' claims and actual losses.
Oct 24 1942, DAF and Luftwaffe clashed several times. DAF 'confirmed' claims were limited to 2 Bf 109s (1 by a Hurricane IIc from 1 SAAF, one by a Hurricane IIc from 33 RAF).
Allied losses were 4 x Hurricane IIc (one lost in a collision), 1 x Tomahawk IIb, 1 x Spitfire V, 4 x Boston III (all to flak), 1 x Baltimore III, 1 x Bisley, and 2 x B-25s (one to a collision). So 6 Fighters and 8 bombers.
Axis losses were 4 x Bf 109 (two 109F-4, two 109E-7 Jabos), and 2 x MC 202. So 6 fighters.
Oct 25 1942, DAF and Luftwaffe pilots clashed several times.
British Spitfire pilots from 145, 601 and 92 Sqns clashed with Bf 109s and MC 202s over El Alamein, with both sides executing fighter sweeps and escorting bombers, claiming a total of 2 Bf 109s destroyed and several damaged, while Kittyhawk pilots from 260 RAF and 3 RAAF claimed one MC 202 also over El Alamein.
US 57th Fighter Group's 64th Fighter Squadron flew 9 x P-40F and 3 x P-40K to escort 12 Boston and 6 Baltimore bombers against the Axis airfield LG.21. These were intercepted by Bf 109F4s of 7.8. and 9./JG 27, and MC 202s from 73 and 93 Sqn. US fighter pilots claimed 4 Bf 109s shot down and 3 damaged.
Allied losses consisted of one Kittyyhawk I from 3 RAAF shot down by a MC 202, and one Hurricane IIc crashed on landing. So 2 fighters.
Axis losses were 4 x Bf 109 (Werk Nos 7093, 13279, 8669 and 8764) shot down or crash landed (with damage 80% and 100%), plus 2 Ju 87Ds shot down. So 4 fighters and 2 bombers.
Oct 26 1942 there were numerous clashes between the DAF and Luftwaffe, too many to break down, but DAF fighter Sqns 3 RAAF, 112 RAF, 92 RAF, 260 RAF, 450 RAF, 601 RAF, 4 SAAF, 5 SAAF, 2 SAAF, 213 RAF, 73 RAF and US 65th FS/57th FG all made claims with Spitfire Vb and Vc, Tomahawk IIb, Kittyhawk I, Kittyhawk IIa, Kittyhawk III, and Hurricane IIc fighters. They were opposed by Stab II. 7. and 8./ JG 27, 7.JG 53 and 1. and 4./ SchG 2 all flying Bf 109F-4Trop, who claimed four P-40s, a boston and one Spitfire, and 73, 75 91, 95, and 84 Sqd flying MC 202s.
Allied losses were 7 x P-40s (1 Tomahawk IIb, 4 Kittyhawk IIa, and 2 Kittyhawk III) and 2 Hurricane II (one IIb and one IIc) shot down, for a total of nine to both flak and fighters. Plus several damaged. (9 fighters total)
Axis losses were 5 x Bf 109F-4 trop, 2 x MC 202, and 5 x Ju 87D-1 shot down or crash landed (7 fighters and 5 dive bombers).
Oct 27 1942 there were again numerous clashes between DAF and Luftwaffe. DAF fighter Sqns 73 RAF, 92 RAF, 250 RAF, 145 RAF, 112 RAF, 601 RAF, 33 RAF, 3 RAAF, 33 RAF, 3315 RAF, 213 RAF, 3 RAAF and 4 SAAF, and 64th, 65th, and 66th Sqn / 57th (US) FG all made claims. These encountered Bf 109s from JG 27 and MC 202s from 96, 70, 74, and 75 Sqn flying MC 202s, and 391 Sqn flying Cr 42s.
Allied losses were 3 x RAF Hurricane IIs and 3 x RAF P-40s (two Kittyhawk I and one Kittyhawk III) and one Baltimore III to flak. So six fighters and one bomber to all causes.
Axis losses were 6 x Bf 109s (werk numbers (7345, 8345, 10336, 7151, 7489, 10640, which included 4 x Bf 109F-4s and 2 Bf 109G-2), 1 x Ju 88A-4, 1 x Ju 87D-3, 2 x MC 202, and 4 x CR. 42. So 8 fighters, 2 bombers, and 4 CR 42s to all causes (but all of these seem to be to fighters or just MiA)
Thus in the first four days, total losses were:
Allies - 23 fighters, 9 bombers, 32 total.
Axis - 25 fighters, 9 bombers, plus 4 CR 42s, 38 total.
Axis fighter losses included 19 Bf 109s and 6 MC 202s.
It's notably that the US 57th FG P-40Fs were engaged in 3 out of these four days and suffered no losses so far.
Nor did these patterns change during the month.
What they lacked were numbers and fuel. Their communications were extended and under relentless attack. By this time, the attackers were Beaufighters, not Fairey Swordfish.
Ask yourself how the Fairey Swordfish managed to be the most successful torpedo bomber of WWII.
With respect to the very brave, very creative, very skillful and resourceful crews of the Stringbag, and also to the engineers who figured out how to deploy them with radar etc., and the whole enterprise of using these planes which absolutely made the most of that totally obsolete type, I would attribute that statement to very good (you might say even, 'brazen') PR and some 'creative acounting', combined with the fact that their greatest victories were a surprise attack against a fleet in harbor, and a lot of unarmed merchant shipping. Plus the fact that the US torpedos didn't work
If you count attacks on military vessels the most successful torpedo bombers would probably be Japanese G3M, G4M, and B5N, US A-20/DB-7 in Soviet service, and then the Wellington, maybe the B-26 Marauder in British service, and then the Swordfish. I admit i don't know the exact counts, maybe this would be good for a new thread?
