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bobbysocks
Chief Master Sergeant
finding matching parts for your receiver is going to be darn near impossible. parts were scattered to the 4 winds. in the early 80s people found a good deals on bare receivers or barrelled actions ( minus the bolt carrier ) and built guns up from there. in the mid to late 80s a lot of m-1 garand and carbine lend/lease stuff came back home from central and south americas.... and also some from asia i think. most of these were in sad to decent shape. companies scavanged what good parts there were from the lot and pieced guns together. they threw the whole barrelled receiver in a phospate vat. so they had the coating of an m16 and not the nice parkerized finish they were born with. i still sold a truckload of these things...so did k-mart, woolworth, and a couple other mass merchandizers. i sold them for $165 for regular and $199 for select ( hand picked best of the lot ). the same thing happened when they found a warehouse full of luger and p-38 parts in germany. the market was flooded cheap mismatch guns. ahhh the good old days!
RabidAlien
1st Lieutenant
Still on the topic of guns....I was looking for the "four rules of firearms" (thinking about at least printing them out, if not burning/etching/carving them into a plaque somehow), and ran across Jeff Cooper's Wiki page. At the bottom were a lot of quotes of his, of which I've read about 1/3 (saving the rest for tomorrow...been a long day and bed is calling). But they're frikkin awesome! So, without further ado, some quotes (mods, if this would be better off in the "Jokes/Quotes" thread, please move it for me!):
* We are steadily asked about the age at which to teach young people to shoot. The answer to this obviously depends upon the particular individual; not only his physical maturity but his desire. Apart from these considerations, however, I think it important to understand that it is the duty of the father to teach the son to shoot. Before the young man leaves home, there are certain things he should know and certain skills he should acquire, apart from any state-sponsored activity. Certainly the youngster should be taught to swim, strongly and safely, at distance. And young people of either sex should be taught to drive a motor vehicle, and if at all possible, how to fly a light airplane. I believe a youngster should be taught the rudiments of hand-to-hand combat, unarmed, together with basic survival skills. The list is long, but it is a parent's duty to make sure that the child does not go forth into the world helpless in the face of its perils. Shooting, of course, is our business, and shooting should not be left up to the state.
* It is interesting to hear certain kinds of people insist that the citizen cannot fight the government. This would have been news to the men of Lexington and Concord, as well as the Mujahedeen in Afghanistan. The citizen most certainly can fight the government, and usually wins when he tries. Organized national armies are useful primarily for fighting against other organized national armies. When they try to fight against the people, they find themselves at a very serious disadvantage. If you will just look around at the state of the world today, you will see that the guerillero has the upper hand. Irregulars usually defeat regulars, providing they have the will. Such fighting is horrible to contemplate, but will continue to dominate brute strength.
* It has never been clear to me why increased magazine capacity in a defensive pistol is particularly choice. The bigger the magazine the bigger the gun, and the bigger the gun the harder it is to get hold of for people with small hands. And what, pray, does one need all those rounds for? How many lethal antagonists do you think you are going to be able to handle? Once when Bruce Nelson was asked by a suspect if the thirteen-round magazine in the P35 was not a big advantage, Bruce's answer was, "Well, yes, if you plan to miss a lot." The highest score I know of at this time achieved by one man against a group of armed adversaries was recorded in (of all places) the Ivory Coast! There, some years ago, a graduate student of mine laid out five goblins, with four dead and one totaled for the hospital. Of course there is the episode of Alvin York and his eight, but there is some dispute about that tale. (If you read it over very carefully you will see what I mean.) Be that as it may, I see no real need for a double column magazine. It is all the rage, of course, and like dual air bags, it is a popular current sales gimmick.
* One cannot legislate the maniacs off the street... these maniacs can only be shut down by an armed citizenry. Indeed bad things can happen in nations where the citizenry is armed, but not as bad as those which seem to be threatening our disarmed citizenry in this country at this time.
* Owning a handgun doesn't make you armed any more than owning a guitar makes you a musician.
* The police cannot protect the citizen at this stage of our development, and they cannot even protect themselves in many cases. It is up to the private citizen to protect himself and his family, and this is not only acceptable, but mandatory.
* The will to survive is not as important as the will to prevail... the answer to criminal aggression is retaliation.
* Safety is something that happens between your ears, not something you hold in your hands.
* All the people constitute the militia — according to the Founding Fathers. Therefore every able-bodied man has a duty under the Constitution to become part of the "well-regulated" militia, specifically to understand and perform well with the individual weapon currently issued to the regular establishment. . . . Thus one who has not qualified himself with the M16 may not be considered to be a responsible citizen.
* Already a couple of the faithful have sent in checks for a foundation memorial to the innocents who perished at the hands of the ninja at Waco. ... I have been criticized by referring to our federal masked men as "ninja" … Let us reflect upon the fact that a man who covers his face shows reason to be ashamed of what he is doing. A man who takes it upon himself to shed blood while concealing his identity is a revolting perversion of the warrior ethic. It has long been my conviction that a masked man with a gun is a target. I see no reason to change that view.
* One bleeding-heart type asked me in a recent interview if I did not agree that 'violence begets violence.' I told him that it is my earnest endeavor to see that it does. I would like very much to ensure—and in some cases I have—that any man who offers violence to his fellow citizen begets a whole lot more in return than he can enjoy. – Cooper vs. Terrorism
* The purpose of the pistol is to stop a fight that somebody else has started, almost always at very short range.
* Bushido is all very well in its way, but it is no match for a .30-06.
* A free man must not be told how to think, either by the government or by social activists. He may certainly be shown the right way, but he must not accept being forced into it.
* The conclusions seem inescapable that in certain circles a tendency has arisen to fear people who fear government. Government, as the Father of Our Country put it so well, is a dangerous servant and a fearful master. People who understand history, especially the history of government, do well to fear it. For a people to express openly their fear of those of us who are afraid of tyranny is alarming. Fear of the state is in no sense subversive. It is, to the contrary, the healthiest political philosophy for a free people. – Jeff Cooper's Commentaries, vol. 4, no. 16, December, 1996
* Hoplophobia is a mental disturbance characterized by irrational aversion to weapons, as opposed to justified apprehension about those who may wield them. – To Ride, Shoot Straight, and Speak the Truth
* The media insist that crime is the major concern of the American public today. In this connection they generally push the point that a disarmed society would be a crime-free society. They will not accept the truth that if you take all the guns off the street you still will have a crime problem, whereas if you take the criminals off the street you cannot have a gun problem.
* That is why our masters in Washington are so anxious to disarm us. They are not afraid of criminals. They are afraid of a populace which cannot be subdued by tyrants. – Jeff Cooper's Commentaries, Vol. 2, No. 5, May 1994
* The 1911 pistol remains the service pistol of choice in the eyes of those who understand the problem. Back when we audited the FBI academy in 1947, I was told that I ought not to use my pistol in their training program because it was not fair. Maybe the first thing one should demand of his sidearm is that it be unfair. - Guns Ammo magazine, January 2002
* We are steadily asked about the age at which to teach young people to shoot. The answer to this obviously depends upon the particular individual; not only his physical maturity but his desire. Apart from these considerations, however, I think it important to understand that it is the duty of the father to teach the son to shoot. Before the young man leaves home, there are certain things he should know and certain skills he should acquire, apart from any state-sponsored activity. Certainly the youngster should be taught to swim, strongly and safely, at distance. And young people of either sex should be taught to drive a motor vehicle, and if at all possible, how to fly a light airplane. I believe a youngster should be taught the rudiments of hand-to-hand combat, unarmed, together with basic survival skills. The list is long, but it is a parent's duty to make sure that the child does not go forth into the world helpless in the face of its perils. Shooting, of course, is our business, and shooting should not be left up to the state.
* It is interesting to hear certain kinds of people insist that the citizen cannot fight the government. This would have been news to the men of Lexington and Concord, as well as the Mujahedeen in Afghanistan. The citizen most certainly can fight the government, and usually wins when he tries. Organized national armies are useful primarily for fighting against other organized national armies. When they try to fight against the people, they find themselves at a very serious disadvantage. If you will just look around at the state of the world today, you will see that the guerillero has the upper hand. Irregulars usually defeat regulars, providing they have the will. Such fighting is horrible to contemplate, but will continue to dominate brute strength.
* It has never been clear to me why increased magazine capacity in a defensive pistol is particularly choice. The bigger the magazine the bigger the gun, and the bigger the gun the harder it is to get hold of for people with small hands. And what, pray, does one need all those rounds for? How many lethal antagonists do you think you are going to be able to handle? Once when Bruce Nelson was asked by a suspect if the thirteen-round magazine in the P35 was not a big advantage, Bruce's answer was, "Well, yes, if you plan to miss a lot." The highest score I know of at this time achieved by one man against a group of armed adversaries was recorded in (of all places) the Ivory Coast! There, some years ago, a graduate student of mine laid out five goblins, with four dead and one totaled for the hospital. Of course there is the episode of Alvin York and his eight, but there is some dispute about that tale. (If you read it over very carefully you will see what I mean.) Be that as it may, I see no real need for a double column magazine. It is all the rage, of course, and like dual air bags, it is a popular current sales gimmick.
* One cannot legislate the maniacs off the street... these maniacs can only be shut down by an armed citizenry. Indeed bad things can happen in nations where the citizenry is armed, but not as bad as those which seem to be threatening our disarmed citizenry in this country at this time.
* Owning a handgun doesn't make you armed any more than owning a guitar makes you a musician.
* The police cannot protect the citizen at this stage of our development, and they cannot even protect themselves in many cases. It is up to the private citizen to protect himself and his family, and this is not only acceptable, but mandatory.
* The will to survive is not as important as the will to prevail... the answer to criminal aggression is retaliation.
* Safety is something that happens between your ears, not something you hold in your hands.
* All the people constitute the militia — according to the Founding Fathers. Therefore every able-bodied man has a duty under the Constitution to become part of the "well-regulated" militia, specifically to understand and perform well with the individual weapon currently issued to the regular establishment. . . . Thus one who has not qualified himself with the M16 may not be considered to be a responsible citizen.
* Already a couple of the faithful have sent in checks for a foundation memorial to the innocents who perished at the hands of the ninja at Waco. ... I have been criticized by referring to our federal masked men as "ninja" … Let us reflect upon the fact that a man who covers his face shows reason to be ashamed of what he is doing. A man who takes it upon himself to shed blood while concealing his identity is a revolting perversion of the warrior ethic. It has long been my conviction that a masked man with a gun is a target. I see no reason to change that view.
* One bleeding-heart type asked me in a recent interview if I did not agree that 'violence begets violence.' I told him that it is my earnest endeavor to see that it does. I would like very much to ensure—and in some cases I have—that any man who offers violence to his fellow citizen begets a whole lot more in return than he can enjoy. – Cooper vs. Terrorism
* The purpose of the pistol is to stop a fight that somebody else has started, almost always at very short range.
* Bushido is all very well in its way, but it is no match for a .30-06.
* A free man must not be told how to think, either by the government or by social activists. He may certainly be shown the right way, but he must not accept being forced into it.
* The conclusions seem inescapable that in certain circles a tendency has arisen to fear people who fear government. Government, as the Father of Our Country put it so well, is a dangerous servant and a fearful master. People who understand history, especially the history of government, do well to fear it. For a people to express openly their fear of those of us who are afraid of tyranny is alarming. Fear of the state is in no sense subversive. It is, to the contrary, the healthiest political philosophy for a free people. – Jeff Cooper's Commentaries, vol. 4, no. 16, December, 1996
* Hoplophobia is a mental disturbance characterized by irrational aversion to weapons, as opposed to justified apprehension about those who may wield them. – To Ride, Shoot Straight, and Speak the Truth
* The media insist that crime is the major concern of the American public today. In this connection they generally push the point that a disarmed society would be a crime-free society. They will not accept the truth that if you take all the guns off the street you still will have a crime problem, whereas if you take the criminals off the street you cannot have a gun problem.
* That is why our masters in Washington are so anxious to disarm us. They are not afraid of criminals. They are afraid of a populace which cannot be subdued by tyrants. – Jeff Cooper's Commentaries, Vol. 2, No. 5, May 1994
* The 1911 pistol remains the service pistol of choice in the eyes of those who understand the problem. Back when we audited the FBI academy in 1947, I was told that I ought not to use my pistol in their training program because it was not fair. Maybe the first thing one should demand of his sidearm is that it be unfair. - Guns Ammo magazine, January 2002
Glider
Captain
Interestingly no in the end it wouldn't. The scope was mounted on the left of the rifle to avoid interfering with the charger clips just as you say. However, the sight was designed and built with a quick spring loaded mount so the sight could be removed in a second and be used as a standard rifle. If a sniper needed more than 10 rounds to hit the target then he is in the wrong job.
I was talking about the picture with the two brass screws, that would place the scope directly over the charger clip slot.
The Enfield has a detachable clip, but you can only reload it by hand. Because the .303 is a rimmed cartridge, you have to be very careful loading the magazine, you have to be certain the rim on each round is forward of the rim of the round below it. If you do one wrong, that round will jam as you try to load it in the chamber. The charger clip inserted in the slot will load it right and fast, there is no adapter i'm aware of that enable you to load the clip direct into the mag. Only one magazine was issued with the rifle.
Even snipers have to reload .
The Enfield has a detachable clip, but you can only reload it by hand. Because the .303 is a rimmed cartridge, you have to be very careful loading the magazine, you have to be certain the rim on each round is forward of the rim of the round below it. If you do one wrong, that round will jam as you try to load it in the chamber. The charger clip inserted in the slot will load it right and fast, there is no adapter i'm aware of that enable you to load the clip direct into the mag. Only one magazine was issued with the rifle.
Even snipers have to reload .
RabidAlien
1st Lieutenant
Trying my hand at some basic carpentry/woodworking this past weekend. Haven't really done a solid woodworking project since high-school woodshop class (aced it!), other than cutting 2x4's and such for honeydoo stuff around the house. The extent of my woodworking tools: tablesaw, small electric hand-sander (Black-n-Decker "Mouse"), jigsaw, and Dremel. So it probably still looks like something some kid did in middle-school shop class, but it'll hold my rifles up off the floor and away from prying kiddo fingers. Plus give me a spot to put our ear protectors and my shooting glasses. Still have one light sanding to do, and a last coat of stain/varnish, some felt padding, and it'll go up on the wall this weekend.
Top: (1943) Mosin-Nagant 91/30
Middle: (1913) Enfield
Bottom: (1960-something) JC Higgins single barrel .20 shotgun
Top: (1943) Mosin-Nagant 91/30
Middle: (1913) Enfield
Bottom: (1960-something) JC Higgins single barrel .20 shotgun
Shot the 91/30 yet?Cheers
RabidAlien
1st Lieutenant
Not yet....hopefully will get to at next month's shooting outing. There's a nice outdoor range about 30 minutes from here that I've been wanting to try.
RabidAlien
1st Lieutenant
Went out and shot the 91/30 Saturday, man that was nice! Question, though...after shooting, is it a good practice to break down the bolt and clean that sucker EVERY time, or just on occasion (whilst cleaning the barrel after every shoot, of course)? That thing is a booger to get back together, especially with freshly-oiled hands/parts!
Not really RA I mean think about how it was orginally used?It had probably had 100's of rounds shot through it before it got cleaned.Now if you are using surplus/corrosive ammo?definitly hit the barrel pretty quick.I go on my M1a 200 rds before a real serious cleaning.
RabidAlien
1st Lieutenant
Yeah, I figured it was one of those parts that was cleaned by the armorer whenever a piece was picked up from the battlefield mud next to some poor guy's body, or after some guy had a misfire after firing a thousand rounds through it and he swapped it for another one. I'll be more inclined to shoot it knowing I don't have to break that thing down so often.
RabidAlien
1st Lieutenant
You shoot lefty too? Sweet.
RabidAlien
1st Lieutenant
Like the scope! I'm a big sucker for crosshairs, though...much prefer them to iron-sights.
vikingBerserker
Lieutenant General
What exactly makes is left handed, the side the bolt is on?
I tell you what RA when I am shooting alot I can put down a group better at a 100-150 yds than alot of the novice hunters with there high dollar scopes
I have even had the aforemention ask "how do you that?" "Practice".I find target acquistion much faster on iron sites granted a scope helps one on IDing the target if partially covered.Then I would never shoot at something unless I knew 100% what it was.Karl nice rig infact I just pulled out my Crossman pump 22 tonight and shot a bucket in the back yard went to see if I hit it and it was leaking the Wife's water for some plant thing aaarrrrgh .I weighed the pellet Daisy pointed pellets 16g at roughly 750fps not bad.
bobbysocks
Chief Master Sergeant
usually the side the ejection port and and safety are on. safeties can be ambidexterous but you dont want hot gas and smoke in your face. the bolt handle will be on the other side as well...providing its not like the AR16/m16/m4 where its centered and pulled straight back....hmmm is the T handle release on the opposite side??
Airframes
Benevolens Magister
Bolt assist is also on the left side.
vikingBerserker
Lieutenant General
Thanks for the education fellas!
