Matt308
Glock Perfection
Great pics. The dear looked startled, like they were eating something and then discovered you. What's there to get their interest? Just the smells?
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mikewint
Captain
Hard to say Matt could have been the camera shutter or just my presence on the deck
Hey Mike, what is the kicker? How is 50 rounds so damn cheap there.
Matt308
Glock Perfection
I'm finding it hard to believe that the manufacturers can't keep the shelves stocked. Something else is going on behind the scenes.
I talked to my local store here, he said he keeps it shelved for minutes only.
Not to turn political, but I have read reports that certain govt. agencies are hoarding it. Basically if they buy it all up, there is nothing for the rest. Just rumors I have read.
Matt308
Glock Perfection
I've heard that too, but find it a bit dubious. Occams Razor would say that it is a combination of our current war expenditures, govt agency procurement (like the recent Homeland Security purchase that I wanna say was for 200M rds - that got lots of conspiracy people riled!) and public panic over the post Sandyhook gun legislation. American Riflemen predicted that supplies will be back to normal by the end of summer. It's the damn price hikes that worry me. I've always read that the anti-gun groups realize that they can likely never get all the guns off the street near term, but that a likely more successful tactic would be to just price ammo out of reach via legistlating manufacturing quota, state taxes, federal taxes, etc. Second amendment Sin Taxes to save ourselves just like they do for tobacco, liqour, 20oz sodas, foi gras, and trans fats. Your gov't hard at work saving your azz one day at a time.
Remember that you can't passively maintain your freedoms. If you do, they will take them from you like the proverbial frog placed on the lit burner in the pot of cold water.
Remember that you can't passively maintain your freedoms. If you do, they will take them from you like the proverbial frog placed on the lit burner in the pot of cold water.
mikewint
Captain
Chris, I can't give you an answer on price. The first 200rnds I bought were $16 per 50 and they were Blazers. The next 200 were Lawman and were $25 per 50. Bass Pro shells were the Sellier Belloit at $17 per 50 and they would only sell 100rnds at a time. The last 100rnds were from Walmart, Winchester, at $20 per 50.
Matt, I've heard the same stories about the govt buying hugh quantities of ammo so I can understand .223 shortages but plain old .22LR? and .22WMR is a dream. Companies like CCI specialize in rimfire, they claim they are working 24/7 making .22. Where are they? As long as supplies are limited price gouging is a reality. Much as I hate to say it the govt has it right. Guns are protectd by the 2nd but there is no right to keep and bear ammo. A gun without ammo is an expensive club.
The NRA is having its convention in Huston. They're back patting over defeating the restrictive gun laws but I've not heard a peep about the ammo shortage
Matt, I've heard the same stories about the govt buying hugh quantities of ammo so I can understand .223 shortages but plain old .22LR? and .22WMR is a dream. Companies like CCI specialize in rimfire, they claim they are working 24/7 making .22. Where are they? As long as supplies are limited price gouging is a reality. Much as I hate to say it the govt has it right. Guns are protectd by the 2nd but there is no right to keep and bear ammo. A gun without ammo is an expensive club.
The NRA is having its convention in Huston. They're back patting over defeating the restrictive gun laws but I've not heard a peep about the ammo shortage
Were the cheap rounds brass or steal?
bobbysocks
Chief Master Sergeant
there is a lot more to this shortage than we will ever know. back when i was dealing i was constantly getting flyers for surplus ammo from isreal, hungary, canada....all the nato block nations. china...norinco flooded the market with good cheap 556 nato. i could have bought the stuff by the tractor trailer load! where has all this stuff gone?? you cant tell me we used it up! someone is not allowing it into the country....period! hell if i had a couple hundred grand i would jump across the border and open the belizean ammo corp...i guarentee you i could find brass, powder, and bullit providers in south america, asia, etc that could supply my every need.....but i would also bet you i would be thwarted from exporting that ammo to the US. i had a bidders license to buy us mil surplus.....and was actually tempted back then to buy a used mil loading machine that ran thousands of rounds an hour....now i wish i had.
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Matt308
Glock Perfection
Good post. Just missing the inadvertant [SHIFT] key. 
New York Times
Federal agents said today that they had seized more than 74 million rounds of illegally imported ammunition, calling it the largest seizure of bullets in the nation's history.
Rollin B. Klink, special agent in charge of the United States Customs Service in San Francisco, said the contraband bullets would fill 8 to 10 rail cars. Agents hired tractor-trailer drivers to haul it away on Wednesday and today. "It's the largest seizure of ammunition ever in the U.S.," Mr. Klink said.
No arrests were made, but Mr. Klink said the investigation was continuing. He added that indictments could be handed down on Friday. Charges could include conspiracy, smuggling and false entry of merchandise. If convicted of all charges, individuals could face up to five years in prison and a fine up to the maximum value of the seized goods.
It is legal to possess or sell 7.62-millimeter ammunition, which can be used in legal semiautomatic weapons or illegal assault-type weapons. But it is illegal to import the ammunition from certain countries.
The ammunition's import documents said the bullets were made in Russia and were imported legally from that country. But the Customs Service said the papers were false and that the bullets actually came from China.
A United States ban on importing Chinese ammunition was imposed last year.
The ammunition entered the country through Charleston, S.C., and was shipped by rail to Oakland, Calif., officials said. The investigation began a month ago.
Michael Donofrio, a supervisory agent with the Customs Service, estimated the value of the seized ammunition at $24.5 million wholesale. The importer, Donald St. Pierre Jr., put the value at no more than $7 million.
New York Times
Federal agents said today that they had seized more than 74 million rounds of illegally imported ammunition, calling it the largest seizure of bullets in the nation's history.
Rollin B. Klink, special agent in charge of the United States Customs Service in San Francisco, said the contraband bullets would fill 8 to 10 rail cars. Agents hired tractor-trailer drivers to haul it away on Wednesday and today. "It's the largest seizure of ammunition ever in the U.S.," Mr. Klink said.
No arrests were made, but Mr. Klink said the investigation was continuing. He added that indictments could be handed down on Friday. Charges could include conspiracy, smuggling and false entry of merchandise. If convicted of all charges, individuals could face up to five years in prison and a fine up to the maximum value of the seized goods.
It is legal to possess or sell 7.62-millimeter ammunition, which can be used in legal semiautomatic weapons or illegal assault-type weapons. But it is illegal to import the ammunition from certain countries.
The ammunition's import documents said the bullets were made in Russia and were imported legally from that country. But the Customs Service said the papers were false and that the bullets actually came from China.
A United States ban on importing Chinese ammunition was imposed last year.
The ammunition entered the country through Charleston, S.C., and was shipped by rail to Oakland, Calif., officials said. The investigation began a month ago.
Michael Donofrio, a supervisory agent with the Customs Service, estimated the value of the seized ammunition at $24.5 million wholesale. The importer, Donald St. Pierre Jr., put the value at no more than $7 million.
mikewint
Captain
Chris, the cheapest rounds, $16 per 50, CCI Blazers are aluminum cases but all the rest are brass. I've run about 100 rounds of the Blazers through the M&P with perfect results so I'm happy. I am saving all brass though in case I ever decide to reload.
As far as I'm concerned they can keep ALL that Russian ammo. It is CR*P. I know nothing about the China stuff, don't even recall seeing any for sale.
Be nice if they's import some .22 though
Bobby, it would be nice but you can't find brass or primers either. The local shops still have plenty of gun powder though, just nothing to put it into
As far as I'm concerned they can keep ALL that Russian ammo. It is CR*P. I know nothing about the China stuff, don't even recall seeing any for sale.
Be nice if they's import some .22 though
Bobby, it would be nice but you can't find brass or primers either. The local shops still have plenty of gun powder though, just nothing to put it into
Actually Wolf makes a target .22lr made I think in Germany that works real well and of course their 7.62x39 runs thru AK's with no issues, On the other hand the Wolf .45acp gave nothing but nightmares to my Sig 220 super match and my Springfield TRP Operator. I could not even load the Wolf into the Sigs mag,would bind after 3 rds and the TRP jammed so hard I had to wack the slide back with a 2x4 and hammer to eject the unfired rd. Still have about 100rds of those,maybe my FNX 45acp will work with them,next range trip.
Matt308
Glock Perfection
I won't use anything soviet bloc, either corrosive powder, primers or both. And I don't want to mess with hot water, 409 and vinegar on my weapons. Too much trouble and worries me that without a complete tear down I'll pull a rusting hulk from my safe. Still not sure I trust any Russian stuff. Haven't looked in quite a while specifically for Chinese stuff, but based upon the article above it would imply that it might be illegal. 
The biggest problem with Wolf is the coating they put on them. If you have loose tolerances they work great,non corrosive. but anything that is built well will have issues. Never had one that didn't go bang. Silver Bear is another Russian manufacturer that puts coating on it's rounds.
bobbysocks
Chief Master Sergeant
i sold ammo from eastern block countries...shot corrosive powder/berdan primed etc. never had a problem with any of it. in fact some of the best 22Lr i every got came from yugoslavia or hungary. the components are the best...so you arent going to get the reloading life out of the brass.
if you see capital letters in my posts...i probably didnt type it...lol. the keyboard on my first computer had a broken shift key so i just typed everything lower case...a bad habit that just stuck. and i am too old to change it now...
if you see capital letters in my posts...i probably didnt type it...lol. the keyboard on my first computer had a broken shift key so i just typed everything lower case...a bad habit that just stuck. and i am too old to change it now...
Finally got to shoot some of the big boys today .308 and 8mm.I was happy how fast the M1a came back to me I was drilling down 2" patterns pretty quick granted only 80yds but open sights,crouching one knee up off a 50gal drum.The fella who let me shoot is a customer of mine and Viet Nam Vet who asked I bring the M1 carbine out the next go round to bring back memories so I am with a couple three hundred rds of ammo.I finally got my Argentine FN 49 to cycle the way I like 4-6' @ 3 o'clock before it was 15' @ 1o'clock makes finding brass much easier and also easier on the bolt/gun.The ammo for the 8mm would not cycle thru the G43?I know I usually try to make it alittle lighter on loads for that rifle but that box of 50(45now) just got labeled K98 only 
My right shoulder is sore and I am happy boy
PS: thought I had found a worthy 1917 Eddy last week it came through my brother-in-laws Pawn shop was going to be mine for $4-450 a reasonable price.The metal all looked good with appropiate wear but damn if somebody did not varnish the stock Oh it was one of the better jobs I have seen but not the first cartouche are arsenal mark left to me at best it was a $200 rifle at that point.I have been looking to fill that little niche in the collection to sit by the 1903.
My right shoulder is sore and I am happy boy PS: thought I had found a worthy 1917 Eddy last week it came through my brother-in-laws Pawn shop was going to be mine for $4-450 a reasonable price.The metal all looked good with appropiate wear but damn if somebody did not varnish the stock
Oh it was one of the better jobs I have seen but not the first cartouche are arsenal mark left to me at best it was a $200 rifle at that point.I have been looking to fill that little niche in the collection to sit by the 1903.
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Was able to get two boxes if 50 rounds each for $20 each this morning at Farm and Fleet.
Shocker huh?
Shocker huh?
mikewint
Captain
Chris, that's great, the guy at Bass Pro told me that they are expecting a FULL shipment of ammo on Monday. BRICKS of .22 are supposed to be on it. I gave him a list of everything I've been looking for and he is going to put it on the side until I can get there. Time will tell but it sure sounds good. Will report back tomorrow.
Is the dry spell over or is time a teaser?
Is the dry spell over or is time a teaser?
