The Guns We Own

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I think we have hit the answer dfariswheel has the answer it looks like.....and you have something there GG :thumbright:

What you have is a Carbine that was bought from the US Army Director of Civilian Marksmanship, (DCM) program in the late 50's or early 60's.

This was a US Army administered program to provide surplus firearms and ammo to people who might be potential recruits in time of war.
They also provided rifles and ammo to gun clubs that were affiliated with the DCM program and ran a junior shooters club.
Obviously the idea was the juniors would be drafted into the service when they turned 18 or older.

The DCM was run out of an office in Washington with a US Army officer "in command" with all civilian workers.
Rifles and ammo were sold only to NRA members.
When rifles or ammo were surplussed, a notice was put in the American Rifleman magazine telling you what was available, and you sent in an application.
It was first come first served.
Rifles and ammo were shipped from whatever arsenal had them available when your application was processed.

The DCM was replaced by the current Civilian Marksmanship Program, (CMP).

Carbines were primarily shipped from Red River Arsenal, and were shipped in the early days by REA Express, later by UPS.
I got my Carbine in 1965, shipped via UPS.
It came in a similar box, cost was $20.00. That was $17.50 for the Carbine, $2.50 UPS shipping.

Carbines were in "serviceable, safe to fire" condition, and were almost always Carbines that had been rebuilt or upgraded during their service time.
When a Carbine was put through an official rebuild program, the arsenal doing the rebuild stamped the arsenal ID stamp on the stock. If it was put through two rebuild programs, the second re-builder added their stamp.
There were no inspectors stamps added to Carbines after they were manufactured, only arsenal stamps for official rebuilds, so CSA is not an inspectors stamp.
If a Carbine was just repaired while in service, Ordnance put no stamps on them, since it wasn't an official rebuild program.

A DCM Carbine with the original arsenal shipping box would have high collector interest. The box makes it worth much more, and if you have the shipping documents that would add even more.
The documents were considered "Proof of sale" from US Government to civilian ownership.
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I immediately thought it may have been rebuilt post WWII and then again, post Korea, hence the RRA and the CSA stamps.

Like I mentioned earlier, it was purchased through the CMP in 1963 (My Mom actually did the paperwork for Dad...funny story there for another day), so what you see in the pictures is what he recieved from the Rock Island Arsenal way back then.

There was some paperwork bundled around the stock at the reciever, but it's long since crumbled and disappeared, leaving the mummified rubberband behind. Otherwise, it's all there.

Never been wiped down, never been fired and perhaps seen the light of day a handful of times since 1963.
 
{shoulda kept my crappy CMP box for my M1D dammit. Dammit. DAMMIT!! :evil5: }

Then again... I cleaned the cosmoline off and fired it. I don't buy guys look at. So WTF.
 
Well it has providence GG and a story to boot keep her dry.$20 man did I miss the boat :D Matt I still have the box for my Thompson need to get that thing roll'in and just bite the bullet on the $200 for the SBR paperwork then the barrel replacement.Then I can play Sargent Limpton(sp) of Band of Brothers :)
 
i kick myself for not snagging one of these when the lend lease stuff was coming back from latin america in the late 80s. i was selling them for $165. they werent in the greatest of shape...but they were re-phosphated ( inside and out )....the price was right.
 
I've got a Remington 11-87 that came off a cruise ship. Sure didn't get much use prior to dumping it to me it appears. :scratchhead: Couple hundred of rounds thru it maybe. I just took it apart, cleaned it up and put it back into the carrying case it came with. Even came with extra chokes. They dumped 2 of them. Hmmm...
 
Not originally. Was the PPK 7.65mm (.32ACP). Pretty anemic round, though I wouldn't want to be shot with a .22LR.
 
I'm utterly shocked with that video. I wouldn't use .22LR as a defensive round for the only reason that rimfire primer is extremely unreliable. But that was an impressive video. Perhaps $40/500rds is not worth it. NOT!
 
Matt, there is a youtube video on .22LR leathality. These two guys took a 5-6 beef roast, wrapped it in 12 layers of blue jean denim, put it 300yds out and shot at it with .22LR (CCI hornet as I recall). Wind really blew the little bullets around but they made about 4- 5 solid hits. Every round went through and out the back. Acouple of the little rounds fragmented and expanded.
I'm with you on the defensive round but that's pretty inpressive. I keep the PMR-30 right nest to the bed. 30rds of .22WMR is going to make a big owie
 
That's for sure, they'll think I'm using a 20mm cannon.
On another note, that .22LR mahine gun looks like my old Kodak Carousel slide projector. If that's gravity drop seems you'd have to be very careful on the angle you are shooting at or your going to get a jam
 
I kind of thought that double barrel Ruger 10-22 Gatling Gun looked like a real kick in the drawers...of course, I can't habe something like that out here because it's on the "guns that look scary" list.

As far as flash goes, I have found that out of all my firearms, my 7x57 Mauser unleashes a wicked blue-orange flame that looks downright apocolyptic. I have plans to capture that with my camera someday, too.
 

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