Njaco
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No worries, Parsifal, no offense. This stuff happens to threads all over and its a shame.
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Hi NJ
I apologize for misunderstanding you. i didnt think that you would say or imply what I first thought, so please accept my apologies for the misunderstanding
It seems from the subsequent posts that you are right, the purpose of this post has been derailed. i feel bad about that because i contributed to that derailment. I didnt intend for that to be the case, but it happened. I'm embarrassed actually. So, to V-2 I apologize as well for my part in this. You have to believe that my intentions were good but its just all gone to the dogs by the look of it....
My intent was to highlight Polish suffering, and the benefits we westerners won as a result of that sacrifice. I also wanted to point out my confusions concerning the russians, because even though they mistreated Poles, we westerners have an unpaid debt to the russians as well. Perhaps this was the wrong time and place for that sort of discussion
V2 I am sorry that your thread got derailed by people wanting to take the attention away from the suffering of the Poles.
To the Poles and the suffering they underwent by both the Germans and the Russians. Both Germany and Russia are guilty no matter how you want to look at it.
There is no sugar coating it or churching it up.
To the Poles and the suffering they underwent by both the Germans and the Russians. Both Germany and Russia are guilty no matter how you want to look at it.
There is no sugar coating it or churching it up.
On the one hand they are our deliverers from an evil far worse than they,
war was won mostly by the Soviets, with the west acting in a support
In my opinion it was the same evil but with another face.
In my opinion, the Poles in 1939 were faced with some difficult choices. They either had to accept Soviet troops into Poland to fight alongside them against the germans (and yes, this was the case), or they accede to german demands. They did neither, and paid the price for that intransigence.
The Poles for me rpresent a gallant and proud ally that faced a situation that is extremely unenviable. I dont know if a collective security arrangement with Russia would have been better for Poland or not, but its hard to imagine the outcome being any worse than it actually turned out to be.
You mention that I should check my library, which is always a welcome suggestion. Do you have any English language suggestions that I should have a look at that repudiates the Soviet offers for collective security in 1939. I should very much like to have a look at them.
You also mention that I am far removed from the affairs of eastern europe. Very true, but in a sense this might be a benfit. i have no agenda, no pre-conveived biases to influence my reading of the situation.
You also say that there is no difference between Nazism and Communism. I have to say that is not correct. The Nazis demonstrated, and had written what they intended to do in eastern europe. A small issue that prevented them from fully implementing that policy was that they lost the war. The Soviets won the war, occupied Poland (along with the rest of eastern europe) and proceeded to do what? It was not a policy of extermination...it was a policy of exploitation and domination, but it was not extermination, which is what i believe would have been the case if the germans had won. I am not saying that the Soviet methods were not cruel, or that the SWoviets were not above murder, or mass murder. They were. but the proof that they were not following genocidal policies is self evident. they didnt commit genocide in the post war occupation therefore (assuming that the Nazis were intending to commit genocide), they canot be considered the same as the Nazis