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Well the design was configured with a bolt-on for either a turbocharger or supercharger. It's just the USAAF had far more interest in turbos than twin-superchargersTell Allison from Day 1 to design the V-1710 with 2-stage supercharging.
That has been thought of before by an aviation buff I know online, I also thought it would have been a good idea even despite the fact that the RAF wanted a turret-fighter for the P-61.wuzak said:My first thought is the P-61. Instead of the original concept of the 3 man crew with powered turret with 4 x 0.50s
It should have been built with a 2 man crew, single canopy (or dual if the canopy is too large for 1942/43), keeping the nose radar and teh 4 x 20mm belly cannon. It would have looked a lot like the P-61E day fighter.
The reason for them forgoing the turbocharger wasIt may have also been fitted with turbos, as per the P-61C, from the start - depending on turbocharger availability.
That's right, though these problems were largely fixed: It's just the same technology employed in the turrets was used on the B-29'smodel299 said:The 4 gun top turret proved problematic in early models with severe buffeting when trained anywhere besides straight forward.
2. As said elseware, get that Allison a high performance supercharger.
3. If possible, get that uprated engine in the P-51 in 1942.
4. Incorporate the low drag P-51 type wing in the Spitfire, Bf 109 and Fw 190.
5. Incorporate the P-51 type radiator in the Spitfire and Bf 109.
My recommendation on what should have been done.
1. Expedite and clean up ground handling issues of the P-66 and install the F4F-3 PW-1830-76 engine, 1000 hp at 19K. Should be equivalent to 1940 versions of Bf-109s and Spitfires. And/or, AAF gets Vought to develop straight wing lighter land based F4U.
2. As said elseware, get that Allison a high performance supercharger.
3. If possible, get that uprated engine in the P-51 in 1942.
4. Incorporate the low drag P-51 type wing in the Spitfire, Bf 109 and Fw 190.
5. Incorporate the P-51 type radiator in the Spitfire and Bf 109.
6. Incorporate more internal fuel on the early P-47s (there's gotta be room somewhere, maybe right behind the pilot.
7. Incorporate drop tanks on the early P-47s.
8. I hate to say this, but cancel the B-26 and build the B-33A to have ready by 1943. I want 50 mph cruise increase over the B-17/24 to reduce exposer to defenses and 300 mph dash to escape target area.
9. Navy to start design of slanted deck carriers. Massive increase in safety and hitting power. Problem, Panama Canal.
10. For Germany, invest in radial compressor jet engine. Much less hoops to jump through to get much more powerful engines, ala Nene and J-33.
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I like it!Some of those are a lot easier than others
Not sure what the fascination is the P-66. It is a modified trainer and it is only going to take you so far. Not only that but you need a time machine to get R-1830-76 engines in 1940 in any quantity. The only built 98 two stage engines in 1940 and 81 of them were in the last 4 months.
You are correct but it's turbo-supercharged horsepower would still command the air above 25k, being 800 hp more than the Bfs and Fws. In addition, just the psychological impact to the defenders that there could be eight fifty cals above them ready to swoop down with a lot of energy and firepower, could be very distracting and would make attacking the bombers more complex and dangerous. Without this, history shows that the bombers would be very vulnerable.The P-47 could easily hold more fuel, they got it up to 370 gallons in the later ones without a behind the seat tank. Trouble is trying to fight with an extra 65 gallons (390lbs) and bigger tank with the original engine and propeller. P-47s first went into action in April 1943, water injection doesn't show up until Oct/Nov? and the paddle blade props start showing up in Dec. 43.
I must admit that I am not an expert in this area but there is several areas in which the angled deck would be a significant advantage. One, of course is safety. The landing aircraft is moving away from the island providing a bit more error tolerance (there's that video of an F6F crashing into the island). Also, I suspect that running into the net could cause damage to the aircraft, including engine, and, failure of the net could cause catastrophic damage to other aircraft and possibly the ship.I am not sure that angled flight decks would Help the US that much with piston engine aircraft. The US, in general, had much larger flight decks than the RN and tended to fly off the majority of the aircraft when launching a strike, only catapulting enough aircraft to get enough deck length to enable the rest to fly off.
I don't think wave offs were a particular issue. I suspect both jets and props flew at similar approach speeds based on the aircraft, probably something like 1.3 Vstall so their safety margins were the same. Early jet engines did spin up much slower than props but they were very draggy on approach and probably had a pretty high throttle setting. I think they were well trained on wave-offs all the way down to cut throttle signal. If either messed up after that, neither was likely have a successful bolt. I think the main problem was missed or broke arresting wire.Most piston engine planes had enough acceleration in hand that wave-offs were not a big problem. This was not the case with jet aircraft in the 40s and 50s
Then we'd better hope no one brings the Caproni Vizzola F.5.Gloster F5/34 Zero?
Can you imagine if the RAF or FAA had them in the Pacific? You would have to shoot down your wingman just to be sure.
Did I write that?Gloster F5/34 Zero?
Can you imagine if the RAF or FAA had them in the Pacific? You would have to shoot down your wingman just to be sure.
Another what if subject allowing us to use the great benefit of hindsight.
The idea is simple - list aircraft that were built/used during WW2 which could have been built better had they used ideas from later. These changes would have to be technically feasible in the time frame of the original aircraft, with engines historically available at the time (ie you can't say the Spitfire should have been the Mk XIV at the time of the BoB).
My first thought is the P-61.
Instead of the original concept of the 3 man crew with powered turret with 4 x 0.50s
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It should have been built with a 2 man crew, single canopy (or dual if the canopy is too large for 1942/43), keeping the nose radar and teh 4 x 20mm belly cannon.
It would have looked a lot like the P-61E day fighter.
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It may have also been fitted with turbos, as per the P-61C, from the start - depending on turbocharger availability.