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How do you make a new top gun with no tomcats it wont be top gun anymore it will be bottom gun
Tomcat forever !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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FLYBOYJ
"THE GREAT GAZOO"
And the Iranians have struggled to keep theirs in the air (with commendable results). That's doesn't mean those airframes can compete with 4th and 5th generation combat aircraft!
Thumpalumpacus
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Well, the Iraqis weren't exactly Top Gun, now were they?
FLYBOYJ
"THE GREAT GAZOO"
Call it what you want - see the movie or pull out the VCR and remember the good old days!
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But when they are flying their just as dangerous as they used to be !!!!!!!!!!!!!
FLYBOYJ
"THE GREAT GAZOO"
Errr, no they're not! Their avionics are old, their radar signature is as big as a pyramid and will more than likely get smoked before they could ever see their opponent. I guess with your way of thinking, "It's better to die than look bad."
Thumpalumpacus
Major
Of course they're dangerous. No one here has said the Tommy was a weak fighter. We've only pointed out why it was superseded.
I think both the F-22 and F-35 are ugly. But I'd be willing to bet they're good.
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Did you just call the f-22 and 35 ugly those are the prettiest stleath planes in the world
Thumpalumpacus
Major
Yes. I think they're ugly. De gustibus non disputandum
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I dont speak latin but i think your wrong about them
Thumpalumpacus
Major
That's nice, you have an opinion too.
Forgive the Wiki, but I had to chuckle about the emboldened part:
AIM-54 Phoenix - Wikipedia
One missile taking down three airplanes is pretty badass. This is referenced to Tom Cooper and Farzad Bishop, but I haven't read them and can't opine on the reliability of the claim.
Thumpalumpacus
Major
Also, Google is your friend.
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See an AIM-54 and a tomcat killed 3 at one time lets see a hornet do that
FLYBOYJ
"THE GREAT GAZOO"
It accomplished this because it was against and inferior enemy that was caught by surprise and happen to be compromising situation (a tight 4-ship formation) and in 1981 it was state of the art. There was a bit of luck involved there as well!
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Still lets see the hornet and AIM-120 try to do that
Thumpalumpacus
Major
If the claim is true, it is amazing. But as GJ notes, there's more than a little luck involved. But how many Tomcats have that sort of luck?
FLYBOYJ
"THE GREAT GAZOO"
Totally possible if given the same situation
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Look at this the B-52 have flown since the 60s and no one said replace it so if it can do it so can the tomcat
Thumpalumpacus
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The B-52 has had two replacements (B-1 and B-2) in its strategic nuclear role for which it was originally designed. You know why? Because it could no longer perform that mission reliably.
Now put a Tomcat up against an S-400 SAM system and you'll see why it's no longer in use.
The only reason the BUFF is still around is that it's a good bomb-truck against nations with no AD capabilities. The Tomcat would work fine in those conditions. Put it up against an SU-35 or modern AAD; I think you'll be disappointed.
That's because time and technology march on, and good looks don't mean a damned thing to a smart missile.
FLYBOYJ
"THE GREAT GAZOO"
Actually the B-52 flown since the 50s. It was a bomber and had an entirely different mission that lended itself to be continually overhauled and there has been consideration to replace it. You're comparing apples to oranges. The F-14 is now an obsolete design and again I showed you quite clearly why it's no longer in service. I liked the Tomcat (and still do) but you have to grasp reality, put your testosterone in check and have the intelligence and maturity to recognize you cannot justify your argument. I suggest you, on your own and with an open mind, examine WHY the Navy decided to retire the F-14, (and understand why the F/A-18 not only replaced the F-14 but at least 3 other airframes) you might learn something.
