Top Aces by plane

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  1. Bullockracing

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    Can anyone help with a list of top aces by plane, i.e. the most kills in a P-51, the most kills in a P-47, etc? Or possibly the plane flown most by the aces below? I know the easy ones off the top of my head, but not all.

    Loomaluft posted this list of aces.

    >Name-------------------------------Country Kills
    erich hartmann---------------------germany 352 kills - Bf109
    eino juutilainen-----------------------finland 94 kills
    hiroyoshi nishizawa------------------japan 87 kills killed 26th october 1944

    ivan kozhedub-----------------------russia 62 kills
    prince constantine cantacuzenne-----romania 60 kills
    marmaduke *pat* pattle---------south africa 51 kills killed in action 20/4/41

    richard bong-----------------------------USA 40 kills - P-38
    mato dukovac------------------------croatian 40 kills
    james johnson-----------------------------UK 38 kills
    deszo szentgyiorgyi-------------------hungary 34 kills
    jan rezoak----------------------------slovakia 32 kills
    george beurling------------------------canada 31 kills
    clive caldwell-------------------------australia 29 kills
    colin gray------------------------new zealand 28 kills
    adriano visconti--------------------------italy 26 kills killed 29th april 1945

    marcel albert---------------------------france 23 kills
    stanislaw skalski------------------------poland 22 kills
    karel kuttelwascher------------czechoslovakia 18 kills
    svein heglund--------------------------norway 15 kills
    li kwei-tan-------------------------------china 12 kills
    kaj birksted---------------------------denmark 11 kills
    yvan georges du monceau de bergandel--belgium 8 kills
    cudomir toplodolski----------------------bulgaria 8 kills
     
  2. Salim

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    I checked out 'Pat' Pattle's small biographies here and there, but I do know that he started flying Gloster Gladiator (biplanes, as we know) and later on moved to Hawker Hurricanes.

    I should also mention that some sources I've read rated his victories as much as 65 to as little as 34 as opposed to the 51 that you've rated. I'm not sure which is true, so I guess I should leave it to speculation on people more informed than me.

    Anyway, that guy was simply amazing... he got that much in only 9 months of combat before getting KIA... just think of what would have happened had he survived. He could have been the only Allied pilot to get over 100 kills!
     
  3. lesofprimus

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    Most of Marmaduke Pattles records were lost.... There is some slight conjecture in certain cirles, but with all available datas, and log books/plane captains records, his total is figured to be the highest of ALL Allied pilots....

    Some may dispute, but in the end, the truth died with Pattle...
     
  4. lesofprimus

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    Heres a listing of what I have......

    Country
    Pilot Victories

    Germany
    Maj. Erich Hartmann 352
    Austria
    Maj. Walter Nowotny 258
    Japan
    Chief Warrant Officer Hiroyoshi Nishizawa 147
    Finland
    Flight Master E. I. Juutualainen 94
    Denmark
    Prince Heinrich of Sayn-Wittgenstein 83
    South Africa
    Squadron Leader M. T. St. J. Pattle 62
    USSR
    Guards Col. Ivan N. Kozhedub 60
    Rumania
    Capt. Prince Constantine Cantacuzino 60
    Croatia
    Mato Dukovac 44
    USA
    Maj. Richard I. Bong 40
    UK
    Group Capt. James E. Johnson 38
    Poland
    Jan Poniatowski 36
    Hungary
    2nd Lt. Dezjö Szentgyörgyi 34
    Slovak
    Jan Gerthoffer 33
    France
    Squadron Leader Pierre H. Clostermann 33
    Ireland
    Wing Comdr. Bredan E. Finucane 32
    Canada
    Squadron Leader George F. Buerling 31
    Australia
    Group Capt. Clive R. Caldwell 28
    Czechoslavakia
    Sgt. Josef Frantisek 28
    New Zealand
    Wing Comdr. Colin F. Gray 27
    Spain
    Juan Lario Sanchez 27
    Italy
    Maj. Adriano Visconti 26
    Greece
    Wing Com. Ioannis Agorastos Plagis 16
    Norway
    Flight Lt. Svein Heglund 16
    Belgium
    Rodolphe Ghislain Charles de Hemricourt de Grunne 15
    Bulgaria
    Maj. Stoyan Iliev Stoyanov 14
    Rhodesia
    William Ivan Hartley Maguire 13
    China
    Kwei-Tan Li 12
    Denmark
    Group Capt. Kaj Birksted 10
    Holland
    Flt. Lt. Bram van der Stok 8
    Netherlands
    Lt. Col. van Arkel 5
     
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    Capt. Mario Visintini was the top scorer flying only with the CR 42, with 16 individuals and two shared victories (plus one with CR-32 in the Spanish Civil War). He died in a storm on 11 February 1941. At that time he was the Italian top scorer.
     
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    You're right. It's always a shame when the truth can never be known. Still, what he did was absolutely incredible, it was all up there along with the same type of stories you'd hear about Gunther Rall and Erich Hartmann. Even the Ivan (who I assume, survived the war) couldn't have matched his victories... Pattle did them all in 9 months!

    And the interesting thing about Richard Bong is the fact that I've seen a lot of other pilots who could have surpassed his record, but didn't because they were either killed (like Tom McGuire) or didn't serve long enough (like Neel Kerby and the USN leading ace, David McCampbell). He was just lucky enough for that to happen to him so he stayed America's leading ace. Unfortunately for him, he died in a flying accident while testing out the new jet fighters for the USAAF. Who knows what could have happened had he lived? He might have served on in Korea and made ace over there!
     
  7. Twitch

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    Let' see as for top aces in certain planes, these guys scored most of their vics in one plane type-
    Francis Gabreski 28 in P-47
    Dick Bong 40 P-38
    David McCampbell 34 F6F
    George Preddy 26 7/8 P-51
    Joe Foss 26 F4F
    Bob Hansen 25 F4U
    David Hill 18 3/4 P-40
    Carroll Smith 7 P-61
    Mike Russo 5 A-36
    Wm. Feidler 5 P-39
     
  8. loomaluftwaffe

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    Otto Kittel Fw-190 267 kills
    Ivan Kozhedub flew the La-7 and the La-5

    The highest (and only) P-39 ace ive heard of was Alexander Pokryshkin of Russia
    59 kills
     
  9. Salim

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    There were many Russian P-39 aces, not just Pokryshkin. People consider it ironic that the Russians were very sucessful with it while the Americans and British were constantly frustrated by it.

    Here's a link: http://www.acepilots.com/planes/soviet_p39_airacobra.html

    One thing that I found interesting in the list is the fact that, while Pokryshkin is the highest scoring Russian pilot, he got 48 of his victories in a P-39, while Grigori Rechkalov got 50 in one (and 6 in another aircraft type). That makes him the highest scoring P-39 ace, but not the highest scoring ace over all.
     
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    It is really funny that the Russians could fly the P-39 so successfull. Wonder why?

    Henk
     
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    Different tactics....
     
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    Ok.

    Henk
     
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    And, if memory serves, they lightened the aircrafts amor, and replaced the 37mm most of the time with a 23mm or a 20mm gun, further lightening the plane. All this brought it closer to its original specification. Added to this, the deflection gun sights (or whatever sight it was) that most Russian planes lacked that pilots were eager to use because it made arial gunery a tad bit easier.
     
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    They weren't fighting hordes of maneuverable Zeros. The American P-39's 37mm jammed after 2-3 rounds invariably too while the P-400 export version had a 20 mm.
     
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    The majority of the battles on the Eastern front were fought at the P-39's operationing altitude as well. A P-39 wouldn't even be able to breathe at altitudes normally used on the Western Front...

    <joke> By the way, what's a P-400?
     
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    It's an export version of the P-39. Instead of a 37mm cannon in the nose it had a 20mm...
     
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    Nah, it's a P-40 with a Zero on it's tail, lol
     
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    lame joke

    russians fought at low altitude, where the V-1710 can breathe it isn't the planes they were against cause the British (who had the P-400) were facing the same kind of plane on their own front, and they even had a more reliable cannon
     
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    that joke's been going round for years, that being said it's still about as funny as they come ;)
     
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