SaparotRob
Unter Gemeine Geschwader Murmeltier XIII
In all seriousness, this forum is a great place for "fact checking".
Top Ten Twin-Engine Fighters of World War II
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John Vasco
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Me? Normal? Come on Thump, be serious. I'm as mad as a box of frogs!
SaparotRob
Unter Gemeine Geschwader Murmeltier XIII
Box o' frogs is funny. I have no corroborating documentation.
Thumpalumpacus
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John Vasco
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I'm 100% gentle.... and pricklier than a porcupine
Until someone attacks me. Then they get both barrels. Even Rob the Mod supported me afew days ago after I was attacked on MLP!
Otherwise, I'm a sweet little grey-haired, plank-spanking, old man.
SaparotRob
Unter Gemeine Geschwader Murmeltier XIII
I award 
when I laugh with, not at, a post.
when I laugh with, not at, a post.The BoB lasted until end of October. In the month of October most raids were Bf 109 jabos with Bf 109 escorts at high altitude.
Jagdflieger
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Besides dog-fighting against fighters for which it wasn't built -sure
would you out-rule that an
A-20 couldn't perform a recon mission? maybe even better?
A-20 couldn't perform a bombing attack? maybe even better?
A-20 couldn't perform a strafing raid on an airfield? maybe even better?
A-20 couldn't perform a ship/naval attack? maybe even better?
A-20 couldn't perform a supply drop, transport? even far better?
A-20 couldn't perform an medi/evac? even far better?
A-20 couldn't sneak up and shot down e.g. any of the following aircraft's?
A5M, D3A (Val),Ki-32 (Mary) etc.
But tell me please, since I wouldn't know, did the P-38 have any impact or was it a necessity once the Hellcat/Corsair/P-51 and P-47 arrived in the PTO? or the latter 2
plus Spitfires, Tempest, Typhoon and Mossies around in the ETO?
The A-20's and it's variants were still a necessity in both theaters.
The Hellcat had a kill ratio of 19 to 1, what was the P-38 kill ratio? in the PTO? and even the Wildcat was used to result in 15 or more USN air-aces.
No doubt the P-38 was of great assistance and value in the PTO between 1941 - 1943, but then.....as I mentioned before, if one got enough $$ and industrial capacity
one can field as many aircraft's as one likes, needed or not.
As for the ETO and more information on the P-38 please see: I think it's very informative
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Jagdflieger
FLYBOYJ
"THE GREAT GAZOO"
Your opinion - how about facts!
Nothing? The 210/410 required a crew of 2, had 2 engines and did not have the performance capable of dealing with escorts. It was a waste of money and manpower for bomber interception.
Ok, so you're identifying the issues of the -210/ -410 and showing why these aircraft were not successful!
Here's a saying - "would have, should have, could have."
It's based on aircraft performance in may cases - I don't make these threads - if you don't like them, don't participate!
You're the one who brought up the Mosquito in your last post!!!!
GrauGeist
Generalfeldmarschall zur Luftschiff Abteilung
A quote from the link you provided:
"It shot down more Japanese airplanes than any other fighter during World War II—seven of the top scoring USAAF aces in the Pacific flew the P-38. It was as versatile as the de Havilland Mosquito, but it was the only truly successful twin-engine fighter of World War II."
FLYBOYJ
"THE GREAT GAZOO"
The Hellcat and Corsair were operated by the Navy, the P-38 by the AAF, both had different roles and in many cases operated in very different environments. The P-38 provided the AAF with a long range fighter capable of operating in several roles - something you eventually mentioned in your previous comment!
Read about the P-47 in the PTO. Up until late in the war it wasn't wanted. General Kenny had to accept P-47s because P-38s were diverted to North Africa. Although Neal Kirby was successful with the P-47 in the PTO, P-38 Gerald R. Johnson disliked the P-47 so much he choose to fly a P-40 for a while until his unit was re-equipped with P-38s!
FLYBOYJ
"THE GREAT GAZOO"
Then why say this??????
Right - but I did not design the headline of this "Listing"
The more appropriate wording might be "The best 10 twin engine, Multi-role aircraft" - then bye. bye P-38
Jagdflieger
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The Bf 109 shot down more allied fighters then any other Luftwaffe plane - most of the Luftwaffe Aces made their kills in Bf 109 - so does that mean that the Bf 109 was
the better aircraft then a Fw 190? certainly not IMHO.
The interesting part for me on that page is the history and technical issues related to the P-38 - never mind the authors maybe personal liking of the P-38.
Regards
Jagdflieger
GrauGeist
Generalfeldmarschall zur Luftschiff Abteilung
But the Bf109, Fw190, F6F, F4U and so on, were not twin-engined fighters...
FLYBOYJ
"THE GREAT GAZOO"
I admit I like the P-38, one of my favorite aircraft and I actually worked where they were produced. With that said many of the "technical issues" found on the P-38 existed in many other fighters of the period. The issues with the P-38 were highly publicized because it was the first to encounter these issues.
Jagdflieger
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Jagdflieger
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Jagdflieger
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Because then to me it would be a Mossie - followed by the Me 410 and as I reasoned and pointed out the Meteor, but then that is just my personal liking or conviction.Then why say this??????
And I am not forcing anyone to agree - but I was and am willing to state it. = that all there is to it.
Regards
Jagdflieger
FLYBOYJ
"THE GREAT GAZOO"
Then you'll admit the P-38 WAS a multi-role aircraft?
It was a long range fighter
It was an escort
It was an interceptor
It was a reconnaissance aircraft
It was a fighter bomber
It was used as a pathfinder
It was briefly used as a night fighter
It was used as an advanced trainer
Jagdflieger
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