Unknown airplane crashes

[herman1rg]

https://www.google.co.uk/maps/place...7069444,26.1294444,8z/data=!4m2!3m1!1s0x0:0x0

 

[sopri21]

on the cartridges written on the top S L and bottom 43. SL - Saint Louis Ordnance Plant.

 

[sopri21]

yes, this is the location of the site crashes

 

[fubar57]

As good as Google translates, the base of the top photo on page on reads "Real hahnels gasoline car stable soldering iron" Nice find Shinpachi....on eBay yet.




Geo

 

[Wurger]

In other words... lut-lampa.

 

[sopri21]

Thanks for identification blowtorch, but other objects that could be? Any idea about identification lights or navigation lights?

 

[sopri21]

 

[GrauGeist]

That amber lamp is certainly a fixture used on U.S. aircraft:

Product/Part Number B-2389:
LIGHT,RECOGNITION,A
Manufacturer/Proponent: GRIMES AEROSPACE COMPANY
Nomenclature: LIGHT,RECOGNITION,A
FSG (Federal Supply Group): 62 (Lighting Fixtures and Lamps)
FSC (Federal Supply Code): 6220 (Electric Vehicular lights and Fixtures)

The problem here, is that it was installed on a wide variety of aircraft, so hopefully, we can narrow it down some by the other recovered items.

 

[GrauGeist]

View attachment 300312

The more I look at this, the more it appears to be the prop-hub of a P-39...

 

[sopri21]

Residents say that it was a plane with two engines and 14 cylinder radially

 

[sopri21]

each have 14-cylinder engine, radially arranged. All the evidence I go to a Douglas A-20 Havoc!!

 

[sopri21]

Many pieces of tin were black or olive

 

[GrauGeist]

each have 14-cylinder engine, radially arranged. All the evidence I go to a Douglas A-20 Havoc!!

Ok, twin radial engines it could certainly be a Soviet A-20, but keep in mind that the Soviets also operated B-25 aircraft, which also had two Wright R-2600 radial engines.

 

[Wurger]

Ok, twin radial engines it could certainly be a Soviet A-20, but keep in mind that the Soviets also operated B-25 aircraft, which also had two Wright R-2600 radial engines.

You are right. According to a couple of references for A-20 , the soviet A-20s were of camouflages these were delivered to USSR. Most of them was sent to the Russia from the USA and these were of Olive Drab on tops and the Natural Grey on undersides. Russians were repainting only national markings and later adding spots of their own colours ( e.g because of repairing ). Contrary to that, B-25s had undersides repainted with the black paint. The picture above shows the amber lamp with black painted metal parts what can suggest a soviet B-25 bomber. However I can't see where the kind of light could have been mounted for the B-25. The B-20 had lamps on undersides of wings although these were of the "white" type.

 

[vikingBerserker]

Well done gents!

 

[GrauGeist]

Here you go, Wojtek:
From the "North American B-25 Mitchell Bomber Pilot's Flight Operating Manual; By United States Army Air Force", page 37.

Recognition Lights - The recognition lights comprise of a white lamp on the upper surface of the fuselage above the radio compartment, and red, green and amber lamps on the lower surface of the right wingtip. A bank of 4 toggle switches on the left side of the pilot's control pedestal operates the lamps in any desired combination. They can be set to burn continuously or to flash off and on by means of a keying switch on the toggle switch box.

 

[fubar57]

Nice Dave.

Geo

 

[Capt. Vick]

That last one looks like a propeller shaft...no?

 

[Wurger]

Here you go, Wojtek:
From the "North American B-25 Mitchell Bomber Pilot's Flight Operating Manual; By United States Army Air Force", page 37.

Oh I can see now. THX. Unfortunately the detail is omitted very often and therefore can't be found in many drawings. So.... a B-25 Mitchell is much more possible than the A-20.

 

[sopri21]

B 25 Mitchell did not fight in the area where the plane crashed. Only Douglas A-20 Havoc and Consolidated B-24 Liberator. Do you know how is caliber ammunition booster feed on A20 Havoc, because that would seem to be the subject of the picture?