Unknown Holland May 1940

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  1. Snautzer01

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    Sure that's not Russia? Looks like a TB-3.
     
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    Thats what i thought too.
     
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    Interesting...it sure looks like TB-3.

    I have a similar photo and the caption was in Polish: "Kompozytowe pokrycie skrzydeł TB-3"
    No date or additional information was given.

    3921-TB-3.jpg
     
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    One and the same?
     
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    #7 GrauGeist, Apr 23, 2015
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    I would bet good money on these two photos being of the same aircraft, Jim.

    The debris dangling, the sub-structure showing in the same places and the prop on that outboard nacelle is even in the same position (blades resting at horizontal). Even the aileron is descended at the same degree in both photos.
     
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    It certainly looks the same!
     
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    Undoubtedly it is the same plane. The caption in Polish says " the composite skin of TB-3 wings."
     
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    Good stuff guys!
     
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    Good shots! Thanks for sharing.
     
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    Agree with you guys,; the damage looks the same; it's definitely the same machine. So, based on the page that Snautzer provided, what was a TB-3 doing at Middelburg, Holland in 1940?
     
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    Yeah, the presence of a TB-3 in 1940 Holland is a head-scratcher.

    I had tried to look and see if KLM or any other local airline was using the ANT-6 (civil version of the TB-3) at the time, and I came up empty handed...
     
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    Nope, no ANT-6 in the Netherlands. And that sure doesn't look like Goes in the 4th picture.
     
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    Funny how we 75 after the fact we can correct the picture album from somebody that was actually there....
     
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    I'm just curious whether it wasn't the kite....


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    #17 stona, May 3, 2015
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    Do you know the provenance of the album? There are some unscrupulous people out there who will fake just about anything WW2 related. I don't know whether the photograph was taken in Holland or somewhere in the East. It could be completely genuine, but I've seen stuff cobbled together to make an attractive proposition when auctioned before.
    I have no opinion either way as I have no way of knowing the provenance of the album, but the old saying 'caveat emptor' applies as much to WW2 memorabilia as to anything else.

    Incidentally I suspect that Marcel is suspicious of the hilly terrain in the background of the photograph. The terrain around Goes is as flat as a flat landscape can possibly be.

    Cheers

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    Nope just an eBay action.
     
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    That is definitely the same ship.
     
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    I have thought the same. So.. the shot of the TB-3 would be taken in Russia rather than in Holland. Also I think, Steve is right talking about the extraction of the foto album.
     
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