Yikes that's a touchy subject. Not so sure that is wise. (if it is true)
http://news.yahoo.com/fc/World/Iraq/
http://news.yahoo.com/fc/World/Iraq/
USA army seized wifes
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FLYBOYJ
"THE GREAT GAZOO"
Yea, most US soldiers don't know how to take care of Camels and sheep! 
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lesofprimus
Brigadier General
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Clave
Senior Master Sergeant
lesofprimus said:
You then become what they are; a bunch of murdering fanatics.
The point of having armies to do this job, is because they a disciplined, and they follow (mostly) rules like not killing women and children, you know? it's called being humane...
lesofprimus
Brigadier General
Hey asshole, did I say kill anybody???
Clave
Senior Master Sergeant
It seemed to be implied, but if I misunderstood, then I'm sorry.
So what is your view on the families of insurgents?
So what is your view on the families of insurgents?
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At the same time Clave you do not know who is the enemy. Women and Children over there are throwing grenades at us and fireing guns at our weapons. You dont know what "Wife" has a bomb strapped under her Burka.
Almost everyone over there is a militant. Trust me I know, I was there for a whole damn year! I never turned my back on a single one, they were all the enemy to me, and I had to think that way because if I did not I would not have come home alive!
lesofprimus
Brigadier General
If the Govt decides to take out an Terrorist or Insurgent, and it happens to be at his house, and his wife and child are also at the resisdence, then they become casualties of War, and I feel NO pity for some moronic mother who thinks that bringing her child up in the household of a Terrorist is the best thing she can do...
Adler is 100% correct... If u ignore anybody, u become a casualty.... One of the main reasons why being in a combat zone is so stressful, EVERYONE is a suspected target...
Adler is 100% correct... If u ignore anybody, u become a casualty.... One of the main reasons why being in a combat zone is so stressful, EVERYONE is a suspected target...
Very well said Les!
And yes, if there family is taken out with them, I do not feel bad. Did there families feel bad for the innocents and the family members killed in there Terror strikes. Nope, they probably had a party over it.
And yes, if there family is taken out with them, I do not feel bad. Did there families feel bad for the innocents and the family members killed in there Terror strikes. Nope, they probably had a party over it.
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It is much just like in Vietnam, you had to watch and suspect everyone. My only point is I would not condone taking a wife or child as "bait or hostage" to get a guy to come and surrender. If a woman was a suspect then arrest her, but not to hold her as bait. Never trust any of them or turn your back on them. Do agree Chris with that or no? Chris would you take a woman that was not guily of anything (no proof anyways) as bait ? I want your opinion on this b/c you were over there, not many of us were.
lesofprimus
Brigadier General
Ill answer from a Special Warfare point of view... The answer is yes, it has happened and will continue to happen, its a very effective method of drawing out imbedded "problems"...
One method that was (is) effective involved securing a targets kin and have them make a phone call... It does work...
"This one time, at band camp...."
One method that was (is) effective involved securing a targets kin and have them make a phone call... It does work...
"This one time, at band camp...."
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Clave
Senior Master Sergeant
I would find it difficult to shoot a child...
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Clave said:
While I would never shoot a unarmed child either but if they had a gun or grenade and were just about to kill me.... what choice would I have ? I think that a few vet. from war most likely had similar nightmares of such things years later to. War is ugly. I think once you been a war that you are never the same later. Ask the vets here that have seen action. Les, Chris and anyone else that I have missed. They are not evil or bad men but they have a job to do (admittedly it might at times be a hard job), and they have wives and kids at home waiting for them to come home, their job is to get home alive. If I have spoken out of line for the vets here I am sorry they have all my respect. I am indebted to them for making our world free. We ask them to do ugly things at times to keep us safe and when they do it we can't judge them when they have done it. I salute all vets from any war. They have my respect.
lesofprimus
Brigadier General
It is...
Heres my take on it Hunter.
No as a US Army soldier I do not believe in harming unarmed women and children or using them as bait, however if it is needed to bring down some of these scum bags in Iraq then so be it. As Les said iti s effective and if it gets the job done then so be it!
As for Children I do not believe in shooting an un armed child and never will, however as Les said it is hard to do so even when needed. When I was in Iraq you did not know what kids were un armed or which ones had a grenade in there pocket. It is the most scary thing I have ever been through. The kids also do not know what is playing and what is not. They pull out there fake guns that look real and point them at you, or they make motions like they are aiming a RPG at your helicopter with a garden rake (which at a distance of a km or more no longer looks like a garden rake but rather a lot like a RPG!). You do not have time to wait and see what that kid has, you have to make a split desision and act immediatly. Sometimes the kid did not have anything, but what if he did and you did not do anything. Then it is you that is not going home to your wife and kids....
It is really hard to understand what is going on over there right now, and I believe the only people that can really understand are other Vets and most deffinatly Vietnam vets.
No as a US Army soldier I do not believe in harming unarmed women and children or using them as bait, however if it is needed to bring down some of these scum bags in Iraq then so be it. As Les said iti s effective and if it gets the job done then so be it!
As for Children I do not believe in shooting an un armed child and never will, however as Les said it is hard to do so even when needed. When I was in Iraq you did not know what kids were un armed or which ones had a grenade in there pocket. It is the most scary thing I have ever been through. The kids also do not know what is playing and what is not. They pull out there fake guns that look real and point them at you, or they make motions like they are aiming a RPG at your helicopter with a garden rake (which at a distance of a km or more no longer looks like a garden rake but rather a lot like a RPG!). You do not have time to wait and see what that kid has, you have to make a split desision and act immediatly. Sometimes the kid did not have anything, but what if he did and you did not do anything. Then it is you that is not going home to your wife and kids....
It is really hard to understand what is going on over there right now, and I believe the only people that can really understand are other Vets and most deffinatly Vietnam vets.
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DerAdlerIstGelandet said:
That really makes me sad to hear you relate that story Chris. I could not even to begin to think what it would be like to shoot a kid even if he had a gun or even worse shoot him and then find out it was nothing but a broom stick or play gun. wow that is what nightmares are made of. Fighting men is one thing, but having to fight kids and women is totally different. God Bless.
