USA attacks Venezuela

[DerAdlerIstGelandet]

This forum has a ZERO partisan politics rule.

The rules are posted, and everyone should know the rules. We don't want this sheeple division on this forum. It only leads to fights and childish insults.

Some of you have already been warned before.

Believe it or not, the vast majority of us are sick and tired of this Left vs. Right, Republican vs. Democrat partisan bullshit. All of you, regardless of what side you are on, keep it to yourself. Do you not grow tired of it yourself? Think for yourself for once.

Please take your partisan political discussion elsewhere.

Understood? Thanks.

 

[DerAdlerIstGelandet]

My son's unit is on stand-by alert at Gitmo. Crossing my fingers he doesn't get stuck with peace-keeping or nation-building in the aftermath

As a veteran myself, I will keep your son and his fellow soldiers in my thoughts.

 

[Marcel]

like the UN, I'm afraid what precedent it will give to other countries. Apparently the PUSA has threatened other countries as well.

Apparently it's now normal to remove regimes you don't like by military force, something Russia has been trying for the last 4 years. This should scare all of us.

And yes, I realise Maduro is a scumbag and deserves what he's getting.

 

[Thumpalumpacus]

As a veteran myself, I will keep your son and his fellow soldiers in my thoughts.

Knowing of your service in Iraq, your sentiment is that much more appreciated.

 

[Thumpalumpacus]

like the UN, I'm afraid what precedent it will give to other countries. Apparently the PUSA has threatened other countries as well.

Apparently it's now normal to remove regimes you don't like by military force, something Russia has been trying for the last 4 years. This should scare all of us.

And yes, I realise Maduro is a scumbag and deserves what he's getting.

Between Putin, Xi, and this, I think what we're seeing, in real-time, is the collapse of the UN system. Not to say it hasn't been tottering for the last two decades, but between Ukraine, Chinese soft-aggression in the western Pacific, and now this, this rather strikes me as a death-knell for the founding principles of the UN.

 

[Marcel]

Between Putin, Xi, and this, I think what we're seeing, in real-time, is the collapse of the UN system. Not to say it hasn't been tottering for the last two decades, but between Ukraine, Chinese soft-aggression in the western Pacific, and now this, this rather strikes me as a death-knell for the founding principles of the UN.

Agreed. Bad times ahead.

 

[Deleted member 82436]

Moderators:

Either allow discussion of this current event or delete this entire thread not just some posts.

 

[Deleted member 82436]

Between Putin, Xi, and this, I think what we're seeing, in real-time, is the collapse of the UN system. Not to say it hasn't been tottering for the last two decades, but between Ukraine, Chinese soft-aggression in the western Pacific, and now this, this rather strikes me as a death-knell for the founding principles of the UN.

The UN has been dead since the Korean War. That is the last time they acted.

 

[DerAdlerIstGelandet]

Moderators:

Either allow discussion of this current event or delete this entire thread not just some posts.

Discussion of the event is allowed, as well as politics to a point…

Partisan political rhetoric is not per the forum rules.

The posts that were deleted go against that rule, and therefore were removed.

Its simple.

 

[Deleted member 82436]

Discussion of the event is allowed.

Partisan political rhetoric is not per the forum rules.

The posts that were deleted go against that rule, and therefore were removed.

Its simple.

You can't have it both ways since the entire event is political. So all or delete the thread.

 

[DerAdlerIstGelandet]

You can't have it both ways since the entire event is political. So all or delete the thread.

Please do not dictate to us how to do our job. You would not like that if we did that to you right?

We will moderate the forum per the forum rules. Rules that everyone has agreed to.

We allow political discussion that does not devolve into the left vs.right BS filled with insults, division, personal attacks, attacks against the left or the right. This is so that we can keep the peace here.

If you cannot post in a thread without posting partisan rhetoric then don't post in that thread. There are plenty of other threads you can post in.

 

[Deleted member 82436]

I get it. Rules for some. Rules for the rest.

 

[buffnut453]

I get it. Rules for some. Rules for the rest.

Actually, it's called grown-up conversation where we can debate a current affairs topic without it devolving into partisanship.

This is an international forum. I can assure you that non-US members here are really tired of the Republican/Democrat verbal volleyball.

This event raises much bigger questions about the legality of regime change, validity of Venezuela as a target compared to other drug-producing countries, whether removing Maduro will do anything to change things (given th high likelihood of rife corruption at all echelons in his regime), and th whole question of what happens next.

 

[swampyankee]

The UN has been dead since the Korean War. That is the last time they acted.

The UN has exactly as much real power as the US wanted it to. Give the five major powers veto over any action, what does one expect? Remove that veto, and how many actions by any of those five are actively opposed?

 

[DerAdlerIstGelandet]

I get it. Rules for some. Rules for the rest.

Huh? How is this rules for some, rules for the rest? No sides are taken here.

 

[swampyankee]

Actually, it's called grown-up conversation where we can debate a current affairs topic without it devolving into partisanship.

This is an international forum. I can assure you that non-US members here are really tired of the Republican/Democrat verbal volleyball.

This event raises much bigger questions about the legality of regime change, validity of Venezuela as a target compared to other drug-producing countries, whether removing Maduro will do anything to change things (given th high likelihood of rife corruption at all echelons in his regime), and th whole question of what happens next.

Or the generally level of morality of "regime change" for ideological purposes. Morally, how does this differ from Hungary 1956 or Czechoslovakia 1968?

 

[Admiral Beez]

Need to remember what companies went in and bought/paid to make those oil fields and refineries it was Exxon,Chevron and I am sure others who lost all with arrival of Chavez.We(USA/Oil companies) were asked to come in by the prior government to assist the country to get the oil out of the ground.

On that logic, Britain would like to speak about the theft of the 13 Colonies and reparations of their lost investment, plus interest.

 

[buffnut453]

Or the generally level of morality of "regime change" for ideological purposes. Morally, how does this differ from Hungary 1956 or Czechoslovakia 1968?

Or Ukraine 2022?

 

[Greg Boeser]

On that logic, Britain would like to speak about the theft of the 13 Colonies and reparations of their lost investment, plus interest.

That's all been resolved. See Treaty of Paris, 1783.

 

[Thumpalumpacus]

Or the generally level of morality of "regime change" for ideological purposes. Morally, how does this differ from Hungary 1956 or Czechoslovakia 1968?

... or Iran 1954, or Chile 1973, or ...