USA Lend-Lease f4U Corsair to Russia?

CATCH 22 · Dec 10, 2021

Henry-63 said:
Le prêt-bail est une loi adoptée par le Congrès des États-Unis, le 11 mars 1941, qui prévoit la livraison du matériel de guerre américain à l'Angleterre et à ses alliés à charge de paiement théoriquement différé. La participation du Canada dans la DEUXIÈME GUERRE MONDIALE entraîne une grave détérioration de sa BALANCE DES PAIEMENTS vis-à-vis des États-Unis, et la Loi du prêt-bail menace de détourner toutes les commandes de guerres britanniques du Canada vers les États- Unis.
Pour éviter une crise, le premier ministre Mackenzie King et le président FD Roosevelt conviennent, le 20 avril, dans la Déclaration de Hyde Park (du nom de la résidence présidentielle où se tient la rencontre), de l'achats par les États-Unis de matériel de guerre au Canada. La Loi du prêt-bail inclut les pièces de fabrication américaine du matériel de guerre produit au Canada pour l'Angleterre. Cet arrangement allège le déficit commercial du Canada et lui permet de mieux répondre aux commandes de la Grande-Bretagne, tout en garantissant le financement. Le prêt-bail, qui prend fin en août 1945, aide à l'effort de guerre de l'Angleterre, de l'URSS et des autres puissances alliées. Le Canada n'en bénéficie qu'indirectement.

There is always some misinformation about the exact idea of the Hyde Park Declaration. Who's giving whom defense articles and how is the "lend-lease" involved. To express it with less words I'll quote the original text:
"In so far as Canadian defense purchases in the United States consist of component parts to be used in equipment and munitions which Canada is producing for Great Britain, it was also agreed that Great Britain will obtain these parts under the lease-lend (sic!) act and forward them to Canada for inclusion in the finished articles."
Now this is completely different from your first information that Canada had a "similar smaller program under a different name", isn't it?
Cheers!
P.S. Of course the "eager beaver" was a joke but it got lost in translation...

CATCH 22 · Dec 10, 2021

Wurger said:
Just too much time spent on reading the WarThunder and DeviantArt sites.

The modeler of the "Soviet Corsair" added the following note to his model: (check the full build here).
Nothing you see here is real, even though the conversion or the presented background story might be based upon historical facts. BEWARE!
I hope that's enough for Henry-63, n'est-ce pas?
Cheers!

Wurger · Dec 10, 2021

CATCH 22 said:
The original modeler of the "Soviet Corsair" is the famous whifer Dizzyfugu. He always adds the following note to his models:
Nothing you see here is real, even though the conversion or the presented background story might be based on historical facts. BEWARE!
I hope that's enough for Henry-63, n'est-ce pas?
Cheers!

Yep.. Unfortunately he seems to be well known at the What-if world ... that creates the false image of the History and reality.

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R Leonard · Dec 10, 2021

Henry-63 said:
Le prêt-bail est une loi adoptée par le Congrès des États-Unis, le 11 mars 1941, qui prévoit la livraison du matériel de guerre américain à l'Angleterre et à ses alliés à charge de paiement théoriquement différé. La participation du Canada dans la DEUXIÈME GUERRE MONDIALE entraîne une grave détérioration de sa BALANCE DES PAIEMENTS vis-à-vis des États-Unis, et la Loi du prêt-bail menace de détourner toutes les commandes de guerres britanniques du Canada vers les États- Unis.
Pour éviter une crise, le premier ministre Mackenzie King et le président FD Roosevelt conviennent, le 20 avril, dans la Déclaration de Hyde Park (du nom de la résidence présidentielle où se tient la rencontre), de l'achats par les États-Unis de matériel de guerre au Canada. La Loi du prêt-bail inclut les pièces de fabrication américaine du matériel de guerre produit au Canada pour l'Angleterre. Cet arrangement allège le déficit commercial du Canada et lui permet de mieux répondre aux commandes de la Grande-Bretagne, tout en garantissant le financement. Le prêt-bail, qui prend fin en août 1945, aide à l'effort de guerre de l'Angleterre, de l'URSS et des autres puissances alliées. Le Canada n'en bénéficie qu'indirectement.

It would probably surprise you that a lot of us know quite a bit about the Lend-Lease program and what was shipped to whom and when. After all. it has all been spelled out on the web for years for those those who can stir their bones in an effort to find out the real scoop rather that repeat the trash from some artist's web site or "what if" modelers.

FLYBOYJ · Dec 10, 2021

From what I understand there was a lot of reverse lend lease as well. I heard the Soviet Union supplied the US about 40 LaGG-3s for the defense of the Panama Canal. Although the shipment was made about the time the war ended, the Soviets didn't want the disassembled airframes returned and they sat at a pier in Miami for months. Eventually they were declared surplus and sold to the civilian market. Since all the manuals were in Russian, every airframe was parted out, engines found their way on swamp boats and the wooden fuselages were bought up by farmers who cut the wood fuselages in half and used them for midget orange tree planters. The wings were made into swamp boats and Manatee mating
platforms.

SaparotRob · Dec 10, 2021

Oh man, what waste. Air boats are cool and all that but still, if only few of those had made it to a museum.

FLYBOYJ · Dec 10, 2021

SaparotRob said:
Oh man, what waste. Air boats are cool and all that but still, if only few of those had made it to a museum.

I believe there was an attempt to acquire one complete airframe (less engine) and place it in the front of a Jewish Delicatessen located in Canarsie.

Howard Gibson · Dec 10, 2021

Yaldy said:
Does anyone know anything about the US giving Russia any F4U Corsairs during World War 2?

The reason I ask - A person claimed to have met a Hero of the Soviet Union who flew a Corsair with 55 kills.

I was skeptical and said, "I"m not sure about this..."

Any help, knowledge, or comments are appreciated.

Thanks in advance!

55 kills is a lot for the Soviet Union. The top USSR aces seem to have flown La-5s and Bell P-39s.

I searched Google for Soviet air aces.

I understand the Soviets received at least one P-47, but this aircraft methodically violated every single rule of Soviet air tactics and strategy.

FLYBOYJ · Dec 10, 2021

Howard Gibson said:
55 kills is a lot for the Soviet Union. The top USSR aces seem to have flown La-5s and Bell P-39s.

I searched Google for Soviet air aces.

I understand the Soviets received at least one P-47, but this aircraft methodically violated every single rule of Soviet air tactics and strategy.

55 kill Soviet flying an F4U? Total BS - now my last 2 posts, take them to the bank!

Now seriously, Soviet P-47s? They received about 200 of them.

GrauGeist · Dec 10, 2021

The Soviets used their P-47s more for city defense in rear areas.

The number received, were three P-47D-10-RE and two hundred P-47D-22-RE/P-47D-27-RE aircraft.

They preferred to use the La-5FN and Yak-9 for intercepting and the IL-2 for ground attack and by 1944, they had the La-7.

SaparotRob · Dec 10, 2021

FLYBOYJ said:
I believe there was an attempt to acquire one complete airframe (less engine) and place it in the front of a Jewish Delicatessen located in Canarsie.

The one by the Kings Plaza Mall? It's GREAT!

Howard Gibson · Dec 11, 2021

FLYBOYJ said:
55 kill Soviet flying an F4U? Total BS - now my last 2 posts, take them to the bank!

They did not have F4Us. I said La-5s and P-39s.

GrauGeist · Dec 11, 2021

Howard Gibson said:
55 kills is a lot for the Soviet Union.

Ivan Kozhedub - 64
Grigory Rechkalov - 61
Nicholai Gulaev - 55
Kirill Yevstigneev - 53
Dmitri Glinka - 50
Alexander Pokyrishkin - 45

These are the top Soviet aces out of 131 who score more than 10 kills.

So about that bit of "55 kills is a lot"...

Wurger · Dec 11, 2021

FLYBOYJ said:
55 kill Soviet flying an F4U? Total BS - now my last 2 posts, take them to the bank!

Now seriously, Soviet P-47s? They received about 200 of them.
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As memo serves the P-47s in the second pic aren't of the soviet VVS. These belonged to the 86th FG and took part in a movie titled "Berlin Airlift" as the Russian fighters. The film was made in 1949, IIRC.

R Leonard · Dec 11, 2021

Post war USAF markings on the far right P-47 in the second photo. Long after Lend Lease.

FLYBOYJ · Dec 11, 2021

Wurger said:
As memo serves the P-47s in the second pic aren't of the soviet VVS. These belonged to the 86th FG and took part in a movie titled "Berlin Airlift" as the Russian fighters. The film was made in 1949, IIRC.

Great catch my friend!

Howard Gibson · Dec 11, 2021

GrauGeist said:
Ivan Kozhedub - 64
Grigory Rechkalov - 61
Nicholai Gulaev - 55
Kirill Yevstigneev - 53
Dmitri Glinka - 50
Alexander Pokyrishkin - 45

These are the top Soviet aces out of 131 who score more than 10 kills.

So about that bit of "55 kills is a lot"...

I said that 55 kills was a lot for the Soviet Union. I am not saying it did not happen.

For the record...
Ivan Kozhedub -- 64 -- La-5 mostly
Grigory Rechkalov -- 61 -- Polikarpov I-153 (biplane), P-39
Nicholai Gulayev -- 55 -- MiG-3, Yak-1, P-39
Kirill Yevstigneyev -- 53 -- La-5, La-7
Dmitri Glinka -- 50 -- Yak-1, P-40, P-39
Alexander Pokyrishkin -- 45 -- MiG-3, P-39

I am surprised here by the number of P-39s, and the lack of Yaks, particularly the Yak-3. No P-47s. No F4Us.

GTX · Dec 11, 2021

Purely fictional:

FLYBOYJ · Dec 11, 2021

GTX said:
Purely fictional:

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I was waiting for one of Clave's pieces to show up here!

SaparotRob · Dec 11, 2021

GTX said:
Purely fictional:

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Needs a slogan on the side. Great picture!

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