USA Lend-Lease f4U Corsair to Russia?

[FLYBOYJ]

Needs a slogan on the side. Great picture!

I vote for an image!

 

[SaparotRob]

 

[Husky]

The planes that were supplied to them I believe were and feel free to add what I did not put:

DC-3
P-63
P-39
P-40


I know there are more types, I just can not recall them off the top of my head at the moment.

Total lend lease to the Soviet Union in WW2 by the US:

Aircraft.............................14,795
Tanks.................................7,056
Jeeps................................51,503
Trucks..............................375,883
Motorcycles..........................35,170
Tractors..............................8,071
Guns..................................8,218
Machine guns........................131,633
Explosives..........................345,735 tons
Building equipment valued.......$10,910,000
Railroad freight cars................11,155
Locomotives...........................1,981
Cargo ships..............................90
Submarine hunters.......................105
Torpedo boats...........................197
Ship engines..........................7,784
Food supplies.....................4,478,000 tons
Machines and equipment.......$1,078,965,000
Noniron metals......................802,000 tons
Petroleum products................2,670,000 tons
Chemicals...........................842,000 tons
Cotton..........................106,893,000 tons
Leather..............................49,860 tons
Tires.............................3,786,000
Army boots.......................15,417,000 pairs

That's alot

 

[R Leonard]

Needs a slogan on the side. Great picture!

How about "Go Army Beat Navy!"

 

[SaparotRob]

Here we go!!

 

[FLYBOYJ]

 

[FLYBOYJ]

I said that 55 kills was a lot for the Soviet Union. I am not saying it did not happen.

For the record...
Ivan Kozhedub -- 64 -- La-5 mostly
Grigory Rechkalov -- 61 -- Polikarpov I-153 (biplane), P-39
Nicholai Gulayev -- 55 -- MiG-3, Yak-1, P-39
Kirill Yevstigneyev -- 53 -- La-5, La-7
Dmitri Glinka -- 50 -- Yak-1, P-40, P-39
Alexander Pokyrishkin -- 45 -- MiG-3, P-39

I am surprised here by the number of P-39s, and the lack of Yaks, particularly the Yak-3. No P-47s. No F4Us.

One of worthy note - Lev Shestaov - 16 in WW2, 39 over Spain. He was killed in an air battle with Hans-Ulrich Rudel, allegedly shot down by Rudel's rear gunner Ernst Gadermann

 

[pinehilljoe]

They would be sent over ADM King's body

 

[GregP]

Since we are discussing Aces, here's my list, taken from all over, but a lot from the Magnus Family website. Altogether a good website.

 

[BiffF15]

Since we are discussing Aces, here's my list, taken from all over, but a lot from the Magnus Family website. Altogether a good website.

Thanks for the share Greg!

 

[DerAdlerIstGelandet]

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Boo!!!!

 

[GrauGeist]

Yeah, I was for Army and they were doing a good job until I stepped away from the TV and it all went downhill from there

 

[XBe02Drvr]

Go Navy!

 

[Geoffrey Sinclair]

you can even check the lend lease list . . . and, yes, there is such a list. No F4Us to the USSR.

Where would a copy of the list be please, given the reference I have does not detail losses en route by type? The combination of US types shipped to Britain then to the USSR, the on British Account types, the direct US shipments, the ones rejected by the USSR, the theatre transfers and losses en route makes for a challenge to find accurate totals. However no F4U were sent to the USSR.

British shipments to USSR, as of end June 1945. Air 22/310. 1st to 4th protocols.

Aircraft	sent	lost	rejected	arrived
Airacobra	255​	53​		202​
Tomahawk	30​			30​
Hurricane IIA	176​	22​		154​
Hurricane IIB	1690​	278​		1412​
Hurricane IIC	1130​	46​	117​	967​
Spitfire IX	201​			201​
Spitfire IXE	985​			985​
Spitfire HF IXE	1​			1​
Totals	4468​	399​	117​	3952​

Also 2,744 P-39, 300 P-40 and 86 P-63 "assignment in USA".

Aircraft in addition to protocol,

Aircraft	sent	lost	rejected	arrived
Hurricane IIA	41​			41​	Shipped pre protocol
Hurricane IIB	159​			159​	Shipped pre protocol
Tomahawk	141​			141​	Shipped pre protocol
Tomahawk	59​			59​	from US on UK account
Airacobra	10​			10​	Shipped pre protocol for spares
Mustang I	4​			4​	Shipped pre protocol for trials
Hurricane IIA	1​			1​	Ex 151 Wing
Hurricane IIB	35​			35​	Ex 151 Wing
Spitfire VB	150​			150​	Offered in October 1942, handed over at Basra
Hampden	25​			25​	Handed over in North Russia, October 1942, torpedo bombers
Spitfire IV	3​			3​	Handed over in North Russia, October 1942
Spitfire IV	3​			3​	Handed over in North Russia, June 1944
Hurricane IID	60​		14​	46​	Offered in April 1943, shipped to Basra
Albemarle	14​			14​	Flown out of UK by USSR ferry crews
Mosquito IV	1​			1​	Flown out of UK by USSR ferry crews
Hurricane IIC	52​			52​	Replacements for rejected aircraft, shipped in convoy JW.58, offered in January 1944
Hurricane IV	30​			30​	Replacements for rejected aircraft, handed over at Basra, offered in January 1944
Lancaster I	5​			5​	Force landed aircraft handed over in September 1944
Lancaster III	1​			1​	Force landed aircraft handed over in September 1944
Typhoon I	1​			1​	Shipped March 1945 to Middle East, arrived April 1945.
Stirling III	1​			1​	Flown to Adaban in February 1945
Airacobra	1​			1​	Shipped to Basra in error, believed to have arrived in Russia.
Total	797​			783​

"Roads to Russia" aircraft delivery table

	Alsib	N Russia	Adaban	S atlantic	total
P-40	48​	910​	1090​		2048​
		49​			49​
P-39	999​	50​	2020​		3069​
	1592​	30​			1622​
	27​	28​			55​
P-47	3​	4​	188​		195​
P-63	2312​				2312​
	85​	3​			88​
sub totals	5066​	1074​	3298​	0​	9438​
A-20	1363​	126​	550​	869​	2908​
B-25	733​	5​		124​	862​
B-24	1​				1​
C-46	1​				1​
C-47	707​				707​
O-52		19​			19​
AT6-C		8​	20​		28​
AT6-F	54​				54​
totals	7925​	1232​	3868​	993​	14018​

"Roads to Russia" Deliveries to the USSR 22 June 1941 20 September 1945

	Alsib	N Russia	Adaban	S atlantic	total
Delivered in US	8058​	1543​	4141​	1055​	14797​
Lost in US	74​			17​	91​
Lost in Canada/Alaska	59​				59​
Departed N America	7925​	1543​	4124​	1038​	14630​
Lost after departure	310​	231​	43​	584​
Arrived at destination	7925​	1232​	3911​	994​	14062​
Delivered to USSR at Destination	7925​	1232​	3868​	993​	14018​
			Total Losses	734​

No breakdown of losses. Also the following are not in "Roads to Russia"

PBN-1	137​
PBY-6A	48​

 

[tomo pauk]

G Geoffrey Sinclair - many thanks for putting the data on such an easy-to-see form.

 

[Dimlee]

From what I understand there was a lot of reverse lend lease as well. I heard the Soviet Union supplied the US about 40 LaGG-3s for the defense of the Panama Canal. Although the shipment was made about the time the war ended, the Soviets didn't want the disassembled airframes returned and they sat at a pier in Miami for months. Eventually they were declared surplus and sold to the civilian market. Since all the manuals were in Russian, every airframe was parted out, engines found their way on swamp boats and the wooden fuselages were bought up by farmers who cut the wood fuselages in half and used them for midget orange tree planters. The wings were made into swamp boats and Manatee mating
platforms.

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Ah, what a waste of quality wood. Just when they started to produce thousands of Mossies in the USA.

 

[XBe02Drvr]

Ah, what a waste of quality wood. Just when they started to produce thousands of Mossies in the USA.

In the USA? I thought they were built in Canada. Last I heard we haven't quite completed the annexation of Canada yet, though we'd love to add their maple syrup production to our domestic totals

 

[Howard Gibson]

From what I understand there was a lot of reverse lend lease as well. I heard the Soviet Union supplied the US about 40 LaGG-3s for the defense of the Panama Canal...

Are you sure about this? I am Googling it and finding nothing. The LaGG-3 was one of the reasons German fighter pilots ran up 150+ kills. The Russians preferred P-39s. I think the Americans would have preferred them too.

 

[FLYBOYJ]

Are you sure about this? I am Googling it and finding nothing. The LaGG-3 was one of the reasons German fighter pilots ran up 150+ kills. The Russians preferred P-39s. I think the Americans would have preferred them too.

If you read into this its a joke and about as ridiculous as the claim as the Soviet Union getting Corsairs!!!

 

[SaparotRob]

Are you sure about this? I am Googling it and finding nothing. The LaGG-3 was one of the reasons German fighter pilots ran up 150+ kills. The Russians preferred P-39s. I think the Americans would have preferred them too.

Didn't all air forces prefer P-39s?