Was RLM 02 used as a top-surface camouflage colour on Luftwaffe fighters?

[Wurger]

If these are the relicts it means that the coat is very old. In the case the greenish tinge could have disappeared due to the time and many other reasons. Also taking pictures with flash may cause the misleading appearance of colours.

 

[Antonio Argudo]

If these are the relicts it means that the coat is very old. In the case the greenish tinge could have disappeared due to the time and many other reasons. Also taking pictures with flash may cause the misleading appearance of colours.

of course that can happen, but looking at all evidences in a global way it proves to me that the RLM74 was a dark blue gray color and it is very misrepresented in the general as too green, cheers
Antonio

take a look at this pictures, you can see quite clear the clothes from the ground crew on the wing root are green, and the fw190 is dark blue not green at all.

 

[Antonio Argudo]

even more prove, look at the GI helmet which is green

 

[Crimea_River]

Believe what you want but pictures that have been scanned umpteen times from questionable prints, some of them colourized, and paint samples that have been subject to 75 years of deterioration, weather, dirt, submersion and God-knows what else are NOT representative of a freshly applied factory paint.

I will stick with the experts who have researched and published their findings in what are now widely acknowledged to be definitive works on the subject (Ullmann, Merrick, et al.) Those works show an RLM 74 with, to me, a distinctly greenish tone. So unless you find and show me a factory fresh FW190 that was hermetically sealed and kept in a cool, dark, oxygen and moisture free environment since it was built and that has a bluish grey version of RLM 74, then I will stick with the long-established wisdom.

 

[fubar57]

And here are the same photos from another site.

 

[Crimea_River]

Oh, OK. RLM 74 definitely has a yellow tinge then.

 

[Antonio Argudo]

I will stick with the experts who have researched and published their findings in what are now widely acknowledged to be definitive works on the subject (Ullmann, Merrick, et al.) Those works show an RLM 74 with, to me, a distinctly greenish tone. So unless you find and show me a factory fresh FW190 that was hermetically sealed and kept in a cool, dark, oxygen and moisture free environment since it was built and that has a bluish grey version of RLM 74, then I will stick with the long-established wisdom.

those publications are quite old now, they took their conclusion based on pictures also, they never had a fw190 hermetical preserved either in front of them, many experts have pointed many issues on those books, now we have more info, relics, pictures and footage available.

Believe what you want

I keep my own conclusions based on my own research and judgment rather than follow blindly what other said, cheers

some more evidence

 

[fubar57]

Odd that RLM74, which uses Chromium Oxide, a green compound, as its primary pigment, would cast a blue colour

 

[Antonio Argudo]

Odd that RLM74, which uses Chromium Oxide, a green compound, as its primary pigment, would cast a blue colour

yes, it is possible

 

[fubar57]

Note, even mixed with blue it retains green

Chrome Star Chemical Works, Chromium Oxide Exporter, Chromium Oxide, Chrome Oxide Green, Manufacturer India​

 

[fubar57]

Also, your sample tends to be more blue than green right from the start

 

[Antonio Argudo]

Odd that RLM74, which uses Chromium Oxide, a green compound, as its primary pigment, would cast a blue colour

what's your source to claim that rlm74 used Chromium oxide as main pigment?
here it refers to rlm 83, with a possible comparison to RLM74 in shade but indicates that RLM 70/71 had chromium oxide as main pigment but not 74

Luftwaffe RLM colors, LDv 521/1

 

[nsmekanik]

Using pics to determine exact shades, let alone the basic color, is a fools game. You could use this pic to paint your Griffon, but your Griffon would not look like this Griffon did

when I took this pick.

 

[fubar57]

Go back and reread your link....I'll save you the trouble. "It presumably was a dark gray-green similar to RLM 74, which, like RLM 70/71, had oxides of chromium as its primary pigment"

 

[Antonio Argudo]

Go back and reread your link....I'll save you the trouble. "It presumably was a dark gray-green similar to RLM 74, which, like RLM 70/71, had oxides of chromium as its primary pigment"

it says "presumably " you didn't reply to where does your claim of Chromium oxide on the rlm 74 come from?

 

[Antonio Argudo]

more prove, original rlm color guide and relic hatch from Do 217 which used rlm74

 

[nsmekanik]

That is the night fighter camo you've posted, That does not mean the relic came from a night fighter, The Do 217 was also painted in 72/73 at the factory , and that hatch could as easily be RLM 72 or 73 of which the color has shifted due to age etc. I also don't trust that the color of that relic as seen on my monitor is the color that I would view in person.

 

[fubar57]

On the Me 262 that plate was located under the fuselage. Where was it on the Do 217

 

[Crimea_River]

I keep my own conclusions based on my own research and judgment rather than follow blindly what other said, cheers

some more evidence

Alrighty then. And your "evidence" is yet more pictures. See ya later.

 

[Antonio Argudo]

That is the night fighter camo you've posted, That does not mean the relic came from a night fighter, The Do 217 was also painted in 72/73 at the factory , and that hatch could as easily be RLM 72 or 73 of which the color has shifted due to age etc. I also don't trust that the color of that relic as seen on my monitor is the color that I would view in person.

rlm 72/73 are both greens, this relic is very well preserved, no color shifted amazing prove again!

Alrighty then. And your "evidence" is yet more pictures. See ya later.

at least I brought something, you nothing... bye bye!