Was the Vultee P-66 Vanguard really that bad?

[SaparotRob]

"The dogfight of the dogs"

Then I'm taking the B-239.

 

[buffnut453]

Then I'm taking the B-239.

Sorry...you can't have it. I bagsied it 10 years ago.

 

[SaparotRob]

Anybody got dibs on the B-339?

 

[buffnut453]

Anybody got dibs on the B-339?

Yes, I've go that one too...if they ever find one.

I'll let you have the Miles M.20 though.

 

[buffnut453]

On second thoughts, SaparotRob , you can have the B339C and I'll have the B339E. Deal?

 

[SaparotRob]

Deal! I can't be shot down if I can't get off the ground.

 

[special ed]

But, you can be shot up.

 

[GrauGeist]

Seversky was another outfit that bounced quite a few types off their SEV design, ending up with the P-35 and AT-12 (not to mention the A8V1 of the Japanese Navy).

 

[SaparotRob]

But, you can be shot up.

Bummer.

 

[Greg Boeser]

On second thoughts, SaparotRob , you can have the B339C and I'll have the B339E. Deal?

Does that mean the B-339D is up for grabs? I'll take one with the -205 engine, and a borrowed RAF armored windscreen.

 

[buffnut453]

Does that mean the B-339D is up for grabs? I'll take one with the -205 engine, and a borrowed RAF armored windscreen.

I'll swap you my spare RAF armoured windscreen, pilot armour and self sealing fuel tanks for a spare -205 engine for my B339E.

 

[SaparotRob]

We are going to have to agree on paint jobs. I want the easily seen NMF finish and yellow wings.

 

[Graeme]

All true but nothing to do with the Corsair.

Agreed - that's why I bought up Wegg's belief that Palmer based 4 designs including the Model 48 "loosely" on his Hughes Racer. No Corsair.

 

[MiTasol]

Sort of like the Wirraway to Boomerang.

And I wonder how much the Boomerang owes to the NA-50 and P-64. It may be just a photo of what those looked like or, given the relationship between NAA and CAC maybe they had a set of blueprints to start the thought processes on how do we do better at this?

 

[EwenS]

While it is always possible that the NA-50/P-64, having already flown, might have served as inspiration to Lawrence Wackett in late 1941, there has been no evidence turned up in the last 80 years of any direct link back to the NA-50/P-64. The license held by CAC from NA allowed them to develop the basic NA-16 airframe as they chose, which is what led to the Wirraway. That is what they set out to do in Dec 1941 using an airframe (Wirraway) and engine (R-1830) already in production in Australia. Given the crisis, it makes sense really.

Kiwi Aircraft Images: CAC Boomerang

The Wiki article draws heavily on Francillon's Profile publication from 1967 and later research.

CAC Boomerang - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

 

[MiTasol]

I am quite familiar with the two aircraft types, own a Wirraway, and visit Matt Dennings workshop when in the area.

 

[SaparotRob]

I am quite familiar with the two aircraft types, own a Wirraway, and visit Matt Dennings workshop when in the area.

I am, like, so envious.

 

[wjkuleck]

Don't know where I got this, or why it is in the language it uses.
I've always thought it looked like a Zero.


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Russian.

 

[GrauGeist]

Russian.

Yep...

"Вэнгард" = Vangard

"эталoн для серии" = Standard for the series

 

[GregP]

I am quite familiar with the two aircraft types, own a Wirraway, and visit Matt Dennings workshop when in the area.

Pics?